On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:00:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:39:08 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:21:06 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:06:46 +1000 David Seikel > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:46:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:53:08 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:04:40 -0800 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > > > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > tclock is stupid as clock does the same (I > blame e17 > > > > > > > for not having digital clock since day0), places could be > > > > > > > included with some effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > tclock is not stupid, clock does not do the same. Clock > > > > > > makes a huge inflexible flipping digital clock that takes > > > > > > up a lot of space. tclock takes up a lot less space, and > > > > > > is much more configurable. What's stupid is that the > > > > > > functionality of tclock was not included in clock. > > > > > > > > > > all the functionality is there. it can display analog or > > > > > digital and display day and date too, calendar etc. - the > > > > > LOOK of the clock is up to the theme. you could make the > > > > > theme just use plain text too like tclock - all controlled by > > > > > theme. make a new clock theme that suits you. > > > > > > > > tclock has the functionality to format the time and date in > > > > arbitrary ways that the clock module does not have. So not all > > > > the functionality is there. > > > > > > i added 2 date formats to clock. it can support as many as are > > > desired to be added to the gui/code. you're in pedantic ODD land > > > there with "i must have day name after date, not before!" (or > > > whatever specific formats you absolutely must hand-describe via > > > format-strings) :) > > > > > > all the functionality is there. it can display data AND time. it > > > has a calendar view (tclock didnt) etc. - all the core things > > > people want are there. in terms of exactly how it looks - it's up > > > to theme. > > > > "we can add random formats one at a time to the code" is not the > > same functionality as "user can use whatever format they want". > > It's not ALL the functionality, so you can't say that. Leaving > > stuff up to the theme is not helping users who can't theme, and > > also not the same functionality. And I'm not the only one still > > using tclock, so it's not just me being pedantic. Other people > > want things that are not in clock. > > > > If tclock functionality was added to clock, then I'd only use clock, > > and likely so would the other tclock users. Right now I use both, > > coz neither has the full functionality of the other. It's on my > > TODO list to deal with that, but it's really low priority for me, > > and I got lots of other stuff to deal with first. > > > > What you are saying is that cars are stupid coz motorbikes provide > > all the core functionality. If you really want a car, weld two > > motorbikes together and carry an umbrella. Not actually useful > > advice to people that can't weld. :-P > > average users don't know what formatstrings are in strftime() to > tclock is useless to them. thats why providing the necessary "show a > date" thing is there. you can get pedantic at "but its not my > favorite date format" all you like - the feature is there. you can > see dates. as for "users cant theme" - that's the point - instead of > writing a whole new module - make a THEME and let people choose it > just for the clock. there is no need for tclock as a MODULE - as CODE. Average users don't need the cpufreq module either. We don't just cater for average users. > the last reason people wanted tclock is for date display - that is > now there. the rest is styling in theme. Whether the tclock functionality is added as a theme or code is not the point, the point is to correct people saying that tclock is stupid and that all the functionality is in clock, when it obviously is not true. You can justify things all you like, but you can't keep saying that tclock is stupid and that clock has all the features. There are features tclock has that clock does not, features people want, that's why people keep using it. THAT'S my point. Does not matter if the features are in code or in the theme, THEY DON'T EXIST IN CLOCK! In fact, since you are so proud that the clock module is almost entirely written in edj, your point that it's just a theming issue is completely bogus. The theme IS the clock, and it still does not have all the features of tclock. Please just stop arguing that the clock module has all the features of the tclock module when it's so easy to demonstrate that it has not. Arguing that those features are not desired is beside the point, and just confirms that these features are not in clock. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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