On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 08:59:44AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > Right, but if you're going to try and tell me that I should stop using
> > the way I've been typing for 20 years, you're not going to win :)
> 
> just saying... works fine for me... standard french layout doesn't do alt+e =
> é ...
> 
> i can only imagine the xkb settings e configures somehow conflict with your
> custom modmap stuff and you then need to do it entirely yourself. check "do
> not apply any keyboard settings ever" and then entirely do everything via
> custom xmodmap files and so on.
 
Right, it's just that the E I tried in debian-unstable went into some bad
CPU loop if I used right alt + e.
Reverting to old E made this go away.
It's definitely doing something wrong.
Did you want my Xmodmap again to try it out?

> > I have a slghtly newer one at work, and it's terrible with google chrome
> > each time I try to rip out a tab from google chrome, it gets stuck to my
> > mouse pointer and it's very hard to "re-deposit" as a standalone window.
> 
> the window keeps following your mouse even though you released the mouse 
> button?
 
Correct. That bug has been around in E for quite a while now, although
chrome might be partially to blame, but with older E it never happens.

Fix: Ctrl+T forces that sticky chrome window stuck to my mouse pointer, to
open a new tab, and then things fix themselves.

> > Kind of sad that upgrading e has been so painful each time I've tried
> > :-/
> 
> trust me. chromium has also had very painful points. especially the move to
> aurora - lots of stuff broke. input methods didn't work for maybe 1-2 years...
> all of that disappeared... the "gtk theme mimicking" still looks like junk ...
> it was decent until aurora... chromium would literally hard-lock/deadlock
> itself when displaying tooltips - beats me why, both in e and in gnome

Ah yes, I had this too, but again only with more recent E.
Downgrading E made this problem go away too.
Definitely an interaction between the 2.

> for aaaages. but it was an internal deadlock and no app should deadlock just
> due to some ordering of events due to how a wm may or may not be managing
> windows. still no idea why. it's stopped... but it should never have happened.

Agreed.

> welcome to the software world where everyone creates pain and it's worse when
> developers don't test together.

True :)

Marc
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