Why would you still be holding down your trackpad after alt+right click?
That's not how alt+rclick has ever worked, not even on the windows which is
what this behavior mimics (which keeps the design theory you are speaking
of that all things should work the same intact). Once you've clicked and
the menu is there, obviously you can let go.... Perhaps don't haste to call
the work of others thoughtless without asking first.  This is EXACTLY the
behavior of every right click menu in enlightenment including that which
manipulates windows.  There is no design discrepancy.  No one is trying too
hard.  If there is a crash, please report it by filing a ticket on phab
rather than making accusatory comments about said software.  Perhaps there
was a simple bug that was a mistake and is easily repaired.  You can choose
to live without gadgets and bryce, but they are here to stay and the
shelves and their contents are going away, so its not even remotely fair to
compare the two and say they have different designs and coexist poorly.
They aren't meant to coexist.  The former is a replacement for the latter.

Again gadgets are not added to the shelf.  You add them to the bryce.  The
bryce is a shelf replacement.  Left click on the desktop, and click add
bryce and that will bring up something resembling your "shelf".  Alt right
click it and hit add gadgets.  You are obviously welcome to use whatever
features or software e has to offer and best of luck to you.

Stephen

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:27 PM Peter Flynn <pe...@silmaril.ie> wrote:

> On 11/01/18 00:05, Stephen Houston wrote:
> > Alt+right click lets you remove them.
>
> I'm sure it's meant to. The first time I did it, there was indeed a
> little "Remove" button, but as both my hands were occupied (one holding
> the Alt key, the other holding down the right-hand corner of the
> touchpad), I didn't have a third hand to move the cursor and click on it
> before it vanished forever. This is a peculiarly thoughtless piece of
> interaction design.
>
> Now when I try Alt right-click, I get a SIGSEGV and the old white
> console-style panel telling me this is very bad indeed but I can click
> on F1 to recover...which works, but Alt right-click on the exclamation
> marks now just creates a duplicate draggable question mark.
>
> This is not very good. Someone is trying a bit too hard to be subtle
> about hiding how the interface works. OK, so it's E, and you expect the
> unexpected (which is why I like it), but I think I'll live without
> gadgets until someone comes up with a standard menu-driven way to add
> and remove them. As a usability principle of design consistency, the
> method used to add and remove stuff *anywhere* should be the same,
> regardless of what it is you are adding and removing. Having a different
> method for each type of object is fun and entertaining for a while, but
> not really useful.
>
> It turns out that the actual technique is Alt right-tap-and-release on
> the touchpad. Your fingers are then free to use the left-click to target
> the Remove button. I don't usually have to experiment that much to find
> out how to make it work :-)
>
> OK...now I know how to remove them...how would I add gadgets to the
> shelf at the bottom where they belong; where all the other ones are
> (clock, battery, temp, screen brightness, keyboard languauge, etc)?
>
> > Bryce is the equivalent of a shelf.
> > Add A Bryce then alt+right click it to add gadgets to it. Bryce and new
> > gadgets work like windows. Alt + mouse actions handle menus, resizing,
> > moving, etc... the same way they would windows.
>
> Thank you very much. I think I'll pass on Bryce. It sounds like a
> refinement I can happily do without, and takes up valuable space at the
> top or at the sides of my screen.
>
> Just curious, who was he?
>
> ///Peter
>
>
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