A bryce has a luncher which is where application icons sit.  the gadgets
available for your shelf are not the same as gadgets available for bryce.
If you want the bryce on bottom, you will have to remove your shelf from
the bottom and put a bryce there.  All the functionality of shelves plus
the contents that shelves allow exist with bryce and gadgets.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 4:11 PM Peter Flynn <pe...@silmaril.ie> wrote:

> On 11/01/18 21:37, Stephen Houston wrote:
> > Why would you still be holding down your trackpad after alt+right click?
>
> Good point...but I had assumed that after clicking, I would need to move
> the pointer to the place where I could click on Remove, which would mean
> keeping it pressed while I moved it — not forgetting that at this stage
> I hadn't yet seen what would appear, so I didn't know what to expect.
>
> > That's not how alt+rclick has ever worked, not even on the windows which
> is
> > what this behavior mimics (which keeps the design theory you are speaking
> > of that all things should work the same intact).
>
> Then that's just my ignorance. I haven't ever had to use Windows beyond
> the trivial, so I really don't know how it operates.
>
> > Once you've clicked and the menu is there, obviously you can let go....
>
> The problem was that the menu *wasn't* there. It SIGSEGV'd.
>
> > Perhaps don't haste to call the work of others thoughtless without
> > asking first.  This is EXACTLY the behavior of every right click menu
> > in enlightenmntt including that which manipulates windows.  There is
> > no design discrepancy.  No one is trying too hard.
> I apologise. I was frustrated by not being able to get rid of the
> exclamation marks, and right-click doesn't bring up a menu as it does
> most other places. The need for Alt seems to me to be redundant: it
> would never have occurred to me in a million years to use Alt with
> right-click to get the menu.
>
> > If there is a crash, please report it by filing a ticket on phab
> > rather than making accusatory comments about said software.
>
> I don't accuse any software for having bugs — I've written far too much
> of it in my life to do that. I merely commented on the SIGSEGV and how
> it was recoverable (one of E's really strong points).
>
> > Perhaps there was a simple bug that was a mistake and is easily
> > repaired.
> It used to happen a lot in e17 under Xubuntu but it almost always
> recovered. But it was random and not replicable, so there was no point
> in filing a bug report. This was the first time this version of E has
> done it.
>
> > You can choose
> > to live without gadgets and bryce, but they are here to stay and the
> > shelves and their contents are going away, so its not even remotely fair
> to
> > compare the two and say they have different designs and coexist poorly.
>
> I don't think I did. Perhaps I worded it badly.
>
> > They aren't meant to coexist.  The former is a replacement for the
> latter.
>
> OK, thanks. That wasn't clear to me. Presumably Bryce offers the same
> facilities (application icons you can click on).
>
> > Again gadgets are not added to the shelf.
>
> Out of curiosity, how did the existing built-in ones get there? There
> *is* a menu: right-click on (eg) clock, and pick Shelf > Contents and
> you get a menu of things you can add to the shelf. Perhaps those objects
> aren't called Gadgets.
>
> > You add them to the bryce.  The bryce is a shelf replacement.
>
> That sounds fine. I've no problems replacing one with the other so long
> as they do the same thing or better.
>
> > Left click on the desktop, and click add
> > bryce and that will bring up something resembling your "shelf".
>
> No quotes needed...it *is* a shelf. It identifies itself as one.
>
> > Alt right
> > click it and hit add gadgets.  You are obviously welcome to use whatever
> > features or software e has to offer and best of luck to you.
>
> Is it possible to add application icons to a bryce, or is it for gadgets
> only? The existing shelf has something called an iBar, which is where
> application icons sit.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> ///Peter
>
>
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