Paul,

I'm less optimistic.  i'd say "helpful"* features provide at most 50%
benefit.
  * where "helpful" is a.k.a. "dumbification"
(IMHO, if you're going to dumbify an interface, PLEASE provide an entire
obvious mechanism to bypass such dumbification, like, "CLICK HERE IF YOU
AREN'T STUPID" (</snark>).  I find doing my job as a sysadmin is getting
harder all the time due to the focus on providing end-user hand-holding and
forgetting to support professional users.)

Anyway, i'm including my bash script here.  I run it manually, but you
could cronify it.  I focus only on linux amd64 for this function, but the
script allows you to call it with overrides, or replace the target OS and
arch.
(i should add pulling down checksums, too, but usually checksums are only
really useful for security and if you get them from the same place you get
the binaries... (oops).  I put the integrity check (success or not) for the
download into the 'curl' exit code.

--stephen

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Paul Kosinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have gotten the impression, over the last dozen years, that many
> facilities that are intended to be helpful for naive users are helpful -
> 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time they make accomplishing a less
> naive task more difficult (or occasionally impossible).
>
> Since ESR installers are presumably not naive, and since ESR is meant
> for site-wide deployment, why is this sort of "help" even considered?
>
> What I use to download Firefox ESR is a BASH script which takes the
> version number and then downloads all the current language-specific
> ESRs (Linux and Windows, 32-bit and 64-bit), plus the SHA512 checksum
> files from "https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/";
> into a standard place, renaming the files a bit to "clean them up".
> Then I run a related script to verify the checksums. (I also do the
> equivalent for new Thunderbird versions, although its ESR is no more.)
>
> I can provide these scripts if anyone is interested. (I would imagine
> they could serve as models for Windows PowerShell scripts as well.)
>
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:43:07 +0300
> Timo Pietilä <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 21.9.2016 12:13, Sylvestre Ledru wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 21/09/2016 à 11:09, Jaroslav Uher a écrit :
> > >> I agree with disabling.
> > >>
> > >> @Sylvestre
> > >> btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2,
> > >> which is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able
> > >> to simply found and install latest esr release.
> > > If I remember correctly, we propose this version because sha-1 is
> > > deprecated and 45 cannot be installed directly.
> > > The idea is to give you 38 and you will be updated to 45.
> > >
> > > If the 45 binary works out of the box on XP SP2, we can have the
> > > discussion on disabling that (don't hesitate to report a bug about
> > > that).
> >
> > Point is that it doesn't matter if binary works directly on XP SP2.
> > You are downloading a ESR which is intended for corporations and for
> > distribution to large amount of computers.
> >
> > I could be downloading windows binary with Linux and that wouldn't
> > work for sure. Or I could use my android phone with google drive for
> > windows binary. That check in that page is just pointless.
> >
> > (added [email protected] for discussion).
> >
> > Timo Pietilä
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