On or near 9/15/03 10:01 PM, Dean Suhr at [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed: > I have figured out the reason for my problem. It turned out that the > message I was struggling with indeed could have been processed by a MLM > (Mailing List Manager) rule. It wasn't a mailing list message, rather it > was a list statistic message so it did not occur to me that it could have > looked like a MLM message to Entourage. Don't process rules on this MLM was > indeed checked. > Aha! That was the only thing I could think of, but in previous messages you'd already ruled that out--incorrectly, it now appears.
> Conclusions ... > > 1) MLM actions cannot be applied against one or more messages after the > messages arrive. > > 2) Rules can be re-run on messages. > > 3) Even when manually executing Rules on messages - and even though MLM > actions are not processed - the "Do Not Process Rules" check box is honored > when you initiate rules manually through the menus or control-click. > > > My user feedback ... > > It is very non-intuitive for MLM actions to affect manually instigated > rules. > I would agree only partially here. I think that what is particularly confusing is that even when the MLM rules have already run and will not run a second time, they still have the effect of excluding subsequent rules from acting if "Do not apply rules to list messages" is checked. Of course, it would be even more counter-intuitive if rules _were_ applied to list messages on runs after the first even though that box is checked! Somehow it has to be made clear that "all rules" _always_ includes MLM rules, and that MLM rules always identify "list messages" and exclude later rules if the appropriate box is checked (as it is by default). Perhaps there should be a new option added to the rules menu: "Apply all _user defined_ rules" or "Apply all except MLM." But there is another way to look at this, too: your computer was just keeping you from shooting yourself in the foot. That message WAS a mailing list message, and if you have ever selected a bunch of messages (including some ML messages) and applied all rules, it is nice to know you can depend on the fact that none of the ML messages will get sucked up and misrouted by later rules. I often have MLM rules that file messages in a "list" folder, and later rules that file messages from particular individuals in their own folder. If those individuals are also on lists, I do not want their messages to the list filed in their individual folder; I want them in the list folder. If I wanted it the other way, I could uncheck "Do not apply rules to list messages" and get it that way. This is very nice flexibility. About the only thing I can think of that might be better is the method used by MailSmith, in which (as I understand it) you can set up rules that are applied to any messages that arrive in a certain folder. So you can get a cascading effect, with topmost rules doing a broad sorting out, and later "folder-level" rules doing the finer triage. > I'd like to be able to run MLM actions on messages using a context sensitive > pop-up. > > Dean > >> on 9/15/03 16:33, Dean Suhr at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I created a new rule, put it at the top - it still runs individually but not >> as part of all rules. (It does have the check box selected to prevent >> further rules from running - but since this is rule 1 and the result is >> redirect - you can't undo that anyhow). FWIW - I have rebuilt all of my >> rules from scratch over the past 2 weeks because I mistakenly deleted the >> rules file and its backup. -- Microsoft MVP for Entourage/OE/Word (MVPs are volunteers) Allen Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Entourage FAQ site: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/> AppleScripts for Outlook Express and Entourage: <http://members.thinkaccess.net/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Scripts/> Entourage Help Pages: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/> -- To unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> old-archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/>
