Ed-
I know it's the American way, 'bigger is better', but one of the nicest things 
about ENTS, and it's earlier incarnations, is that it's been a grass roots, 
local/now regional thing, small enough that most of us who have been lurking 
here long enough, have a sense of the other forum members...now how accurate 
that idea is could be a lively topic of debate.  It's been my experience that 
as any group gets larger, many members, once active, slide back into a less 
participatory role.
I think that you have done exactly the right things in the expansion that we've 
undergone...providing links to a broader more global forested awareness has 
been a great addition to a wonderful webpage resource!
-Don

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ENTS] Re: European Native Tree Society
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:11:59 -0500










Darrian, Kouta,
 
I also would like to see a global variety of ENTS.  The way things are 
however is that people are more interested in general to their own areas than 
they are globally.  I am interested in trees all over, but many are 
not.  If we want ENTS to be come globally important, then how do we get 
people from other areas to join when our focus is generally the eastern 
US?  I added some sub groups to the Primal Forests site to serve perhaps as 
an on ramp or a forum to get started. But I really don't know what else to 
do.  I have compiles a larger list of web links for Europe to post on the 
ENTS site (when my computer is fixed) maybe this will attract some interest 
when 
people do web searches.  What else can I do or we do?
 
Ed
 
Join me at the Primal Forests - Ancient Trees Community at:  
http://primalforests.ning.com/ 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Darian Copiz 
  
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:56 
  PM
  Subject: [ENTS] Re: European Native Tree 
  Society
  

  All,
   
  I'm not heavily involved so I'm slightly hesitatant to say it, 
  but I have to second this notion.  ENTS already discusses trees 
  around the world as is exemplified in the recent discussions on European 
  trees, but has also discussed tall trees of Asia and Austrailia.  
  I'm pretty sure we've seen Baobabs of Africa in email discussions as 
  well.
   
  I think anyone would be hard pressed to find any organization (in the 
  world) that could compete with ENTS in being THE authority on 
  measuring trees.  We already discuss trees worldwide.  Almost 
  anytime I go traveling overseas I look up information on significant trees 
and 
  forests in the location I'm going to.  It is often difficult to find 
  anything.  It would be very nice to be able to go to the ENTS site and 
  have this information as conveniently availalbe as it is for the Eastern 
  United States.  An additional item is that although French speakers may 
  be loathe to admit it, English is now the international language and would be 
  most appropriate for global discussion.
   
  Regardless of the location, the "native" aspect still has 
  importance.  It places a greater level of significance on forests and 
  trees that naturally occur on a site - so I don't think removing "native" 
  would be necessary.  It might sound a little hippyish, but Earth Native 
  Tree Society would retain "ENTS" as a name.
   
  For what it's worth, that's my two cents.
   
  Darian


  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kouta Räsänen <[email protected]> 
  wrote:

  
James 
    & Ed,

James, it makes me glad that someone of the American ENTS 
    thinks like
you!

Changing global by widening ENTS, rather than 
    starting new groups, has
the advantage, that ENTS works already and is 
    already interesting and
has varied member base. For example, if I want to 
    write something
about trees, I choose ENTS, because so I get more 
    readers. James
wrote: "Could ENTS itself be represented on a server such 
    as Ning";
maybe also this possibility could be considered. The "Groups" 
    idea of
Ning is good, but I find the website somehow confused.

It 
    is, of course, your decision, if you want to expand or remain
eastern 
    American. If more ENTS prefered to expand, perhaps you could
talk about 
    it, for example, in your Congaree meeting.

I will add Primal Forests 
    to Wikipedia, hopefully it attracts new
members, and hopefully nobody 
    deletes it.

> ENTS could also
> stand for Earth Native Tree 
    Society.

If this utopia will some day come true, we must remember 
    that James
Parton said it 
  first!

Kouta



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