Neil: I wonder why the people who attack Gore don't mention the geothermal system he installed last year, so that his gas bill went down 90%, as well as that he buys green energy from the power company that comes from solar and wind, at a higher cost per Kw than regular energy, and that as a former VP he has to have a considerable amount of security, and that he and his wife both have their offices there, and have frequent guests, which explains the large size of the home.
Lee neil wrote: > sure, it is true - Clinton/Gore did not move the climate agenda > forward enough [please note that they had an adversary Congress to > work 'with' for 75% of their time in office; that might make it hard > to change things/set forth bold policy]. and, i too know Gore wastes a > lot of energy in his TN home. > > how does that change the pile of evidence that says humans are > impacting the atmosphere and climate? > > the messenger may be flawed, but no one has poked sufficient holes in > the body of evidence to deflate the 100+ yr old hypothesis/message. > > neil > > > On Jun 9, 5:23 am, "Mike Leonard" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Neil, >> >> Al Gore is the ultimate hypocrite. When he was VP he and Clinton did >> nothing about reducing fossil fuel use. They had no energy policy. In >> fact in 2000 when gas prices spiked about 20 cents/gallon he advocated >> releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to reduce prices to >> help him in the election. Clinton and Gore also had chances to mandate >> improved gas mileage for new cars but they wanted to keep Michigan in >> the Dem column so they acquiesced to the SUV lobby. >> I could also mention the failure to stop the Rwandan genocide or >> supporting the illegal Balkan Wars or not killing bin Laden when they >> had the chance but sorry I digressed. >> Yes there are lots of reasons to despise Al Gore including his latest >> cashing in big time on the climate change issue while living in his >> palatial estate. >> >> Mike >> >> Steve, >> >> Al Gore is not a climate scientist, but I have no problem with that >> because he did not create the data or conduct any of the experiments. >> He is the 'student' of many of the scientists performing state-of-the- >> art research. When he was VP and post-VP, I know that he often >> consulted with the top climate scientists [he would consult with folks >> at my institution somewhat regularly]. I've seen the data he presents >> presented by the scientists who performed the investigations. There >> are only a couple of places in that part of the data where I would >> quibble, but I am actually pretty comfortable with the climate science >> portion of the movie. >> >> Not much has been discredited by the science community. Some [a lot?] >> has likely been replaced since the movie was made. Science is a moving >> target like that; actually, some of the data he presented was somewhat >> old. In fact, he stated that in the movie that in 50 or so years the >> Arctic Pole would be free of ice. Within a yr of the release of the >> movie, scientists had cut that estimate by 60%. Recent research >> suggests that the Arctic will be ice free in the summer in 12-20 yrs. >> So, some of that movie is out of date. >> >> The real problem with the movie is that many people do not like Al >> Gore. They cannot separate the personality/politician from a very >> nice, data-driven presentation that is based upon the work of >> hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists. In no way am I confusing >> him for a science researcher. He is simply the person who presented >> the information, a person who has the ability to get such a movie made >> and to get many people to watch it. If any of the scientists wanted to >> do this, they would have trouble getting it made and then have trouble >> getting more than a few thousand people to see it. So, in that sense, >> Al was quite successful. >> >> So, as much as I did not think I would like the movie [and I waited >> more than a yr to see it], I did. Al Gore did a decent job in >> presenting the data. I have problems with some of the ecology he >> presents and much of the invasive issue connection to warming - that >> is actually a pretty poor connection. But, for the climate science, it >> is pretty true to the data. >> >> neil >> > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
