Lee, it is inconvenient?
neil On Jun 9, 9:16 am, Lee Frelich <[email protected]> wrote: > Neil: > > I wonder why the people who attack Gore don't mention the geothermal > system he installed last year, so that his gas bill went down 90%, as > well as that he buys green energy from the power company that comes from > solar and wind, at a higher cost per Kw than regular energy, and that as > a former VP he has to have a considerable amount of security, and that > he and his wife both have their offices there, and have frequent guests, > which explains the large size of the home. > > Lee > > neil wrote: > > sure, it is true - Clinton/Gore did not move the climate agenda > > forward enough [please note that they had an adversary Congress to > > work 'with' for 75% of their time in office; that might make it hard > > to change things/set forth bold policy]. and, i too know Gore wastes a > > lot of energy in his TN home. > > > how does that change the pile of evidence that says humans are > > impacting the atmosphere and climate? > > > the messenger may be flawed, but no one has poked sufficient holes in > > the body of evidence to deflate the 100+ yr old hypothesis/message. > > > neil > > > On Jun 9, 5:23 am, "Mike Leonard" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Neil, > > >> Al Gore is the ultimate hypocrite. When he was VP he and Clinton did > >> nothing about reducing fossil fuel use. They had no energy policy. In > >> fact in 2000 when gas prices spiked about 20 cents/gallon he advocated > >> releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to reduce prices to > >> help him in the election. Clinton and Gore also had chances to mandate > >> improved gas mileage for new cars but they wanted to keep Michigan in > >> the Dem column so they acquiesced to the SUV lobby. > >> I could also mention the failure to stop the Rwandan genocide or > >> supporting the illegal Balkan Wars or not killing bin Laden when they > >> had the chance but sorry I digressed. > >> Yes there are lots of reasons to despise Al Gore including his latest > >> cashing in big time on the climate change issue while living in his > >> palatial estate. > > >> Mike > > >> Steve, > > >> Al Gore is not a climate scientist, but I have no problem with that > >> because he did not create the data or conduct any of the experiments. > >> He is the 'student' of many of the scientists performing state-of-the- > >> art research. When he was VP and post-VP, I know that he often > >> consulted with the top climate scientists [he would consult with folks > >> at my institution somewhat regularly]. I've seen the data he presents > >> presented by the scientists who performed the investigations. There > >> are only a couple of places in that part of the data where I would > >> quibble, but I am actually pretty comfortable with the climate science > >> portion of the movie. > > >> Not much has been discredited by the science community. Some [a lot?] > >> has likely been replaced since the movie was made. Science is a moving > >> target like that; actually, some of the data he presented was somewhat > >> old. In fact, he stated that in the movie that in 50 or so years the > >> Arctic Pole would be free of ice. Within a yr of the release of the > >> movie, scientists had cut that estimate by 60%. Recent research > >> suggests that the Arctic will be ice free in the summer in 12-20 yrs. > >> So, some of that movie is out of date. > > >> The real problem with the movie is that many people do not like Al > >> Gore. They cannot separate the personality/politician from a very > >> nice, data-driven presentation that is based upon the work of > >> hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists. In no way am I confusing > >> him for a science researcher. He is simply the person who presented > >> the information, a person who has the ability to get such a movie made > >> and to get many people to watch it. If any of the scientists wanted to > >> do this, they would have trouble getting it made and then have trouble > >> getting more than a few thousand people to see it. So, in that sense, > >> Al was quite successful. > > >> So, as much as I did not think I would like the movie [and I waited > >> more than a yr to see it], I did. Al Gore did a decent job in > >> presenting the data. I have problems with some of the ecology he > >> presents and much of the invasive issue connection to warming - that > >> is actually a pretty poor connection. But, for the climate science, it > >> is pretty true to the data. > > >> neil --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
