I don't know if they were intentionally exaggerated. It seems typical of errors on trees wide spreading crowns and/or on sloping ground using the tangent method WITHOUT careful leveling compensation on the horizontal run and not triangulating to a point on the ground directly underneath the actual point being measured on the crown and instead using the tree trunk. These errors are typical of many trees that I have tried to confirm in Wisconsin by other measurers over the years, and some of the few Thompson Michigan trees that I have tried to confirm. Will confirmed it on the China, MI maple, too.
They may have been exaggerated because at the time, few individuals possessed the knowledge or equipment to more accurately measure the heights. Will's comments on both the height and spread of the maple make it seem that it was intentional. It seemed that in the 70's and 80's, that Michigan was trying hard to get the most champs. The Huron Mountain pines were quickly removed from the list when people started questioning the heights and the explanation was that they had blown down. Of course, that could have happened, or they could have been cut down since the more fertile portions of the Fisher Creek area appear to be outside their Reserve Area in an area that is managed for timber production. PJ On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]>wrote: > ENTS- > > After reading the posts concerning tree heights in Michigan, is it safe to > assume heights of trees were intentionally exaggerated(not just > mis-measured) by certain individuals? > > Steve > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Barry Caselli <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I received that and read it. That's partly why I said that it's all good >> now. >> Very interesting reading. Amazing that they had the heights so badly >> screwed up. >> >> --- On *Wed, 10/28/09, Paul Jost <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Paul Jost <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [ENTS] Re: Marquette, Michigan white pines >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:56 AM >> >> >> I sent a longer reply with more information on this yesterday. It's on >> the google groups web site but apparently didn't get out to everyone for >> some reason. >> >> PJ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Barry >> Caselli<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *To:* >> [email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:29 PM >> *Subject:* [ENTS] Re: Marquette, Michigan white pines >> >> Oh okay. Thanks. >> >> --- On *Tue, 10/27/09, Andrew Joslin >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Andrew Joslin >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: [ENTS] Re: Marquette, Michigan white pines >> To: >> [email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 4:53 AM >> >> >> The tallest of the two, the alleged former champ. >> -AJ >> >> Barry Caselli wrote: >> > This is the second message in a row in which the sender said "this >> > tree", when there were actually two of them. Which one is dead? >> > >> > --- On *Thu, 10/22/09, Will Blozan >> > /<[email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>/* >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: Will Blozan >> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Marquette, Michigan white pines >> > To: >> > [email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:59 AM >> > >> > Andrew, >> > >> > This tree is dead- it fell a while ago. The height, as expected, >> > was WAY off. More like 135-140. Lee is familiar with the grove I >> > think. >> > >> > Will >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > *From:* Andrew Joslin >> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > *To:* >> > [email protected]<http://us.mc544.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:32:06 PM >> > *Subject:* [ENTS] Marquette, Michigan white pines >> > >> > >> > Hello ENTS, >> > Apologies if this has been covered in the past, a friend sent this >> > record to me from Michigan. Was this or is this a valid measurement? >> > Probably from the American Forests database, I looked through it and >> > couldn't find much except a large diameter white pine in Maine. I >> > gather >> > that a measurement made (by whatever means) in 1984 may not mean >> much >> > now, for instance are the trees still standing? >> > -AJ >> > >> > COMMON NAME EASTERN WHITE PINE >> > SCIENTIFIC NAME PINUS STROBUS >> > LOCATION MARQUETTE, MICHIGAN (BOTH) >> > NOMINATOR PAUL THOMPSON (BOTH) >> > MOST RECENT MEASUREMENT 1984 (BOTH) >> > >> > CO-CHAMPIONS: >> > >> > CIRCUMFERENCE AT 4 1/2 FT. 186 IN. 202 IN. >> > HEIGHT 201 FT. 181 FT. >> > CROWN SPREAD 52 FT. 64 FT. >> > >> > TOTAL POINTS 400 399 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
