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There has always been a lot of speculation, and contention, within the field
of taxonomy. It was once thought Cyprus cedar, *Cedrus brevifolia*,  was a
separate species, but that is now included as a variety or race of *C.
libani* as well---some authors even include Deodar as a variety of *C.
libani*. Closer to home, some authors consider Fraser fir a sub. of balsam
fir, pond cypress a sub of bald cypress, and Canada yew a sub. of English
yew.

Steve

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Marcboston <[email protected]>wrote:

> Not to complicate things but it is my understanding that Cedrus
> atlantica has been lumped into the species libani.  The "atlantica"
> form is now classified as a variety/sub-species of Cedrus libani at
> least in the nursery trade.
>
> On Nov 20, 9:45 am, Kouta Räsänen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Jenny, Steve et al.,
> >
> > I guess Steve has right: rather Cedar of Lebanon than Atlas Cedar
> > because of flat-topped crown.
> >
> > There are a lot of similarities between European and your vegetation.
> > Considering trees, there are even shared native species, like
> > Juniperus communis and Alnus incana. Many species pairs are very
> > similar, like Betula pendula - B. papyrifera, Ulmus laevis - U.
> > americana, Populus tremula - P. tremuloides, Populus nigra - P.
> > deltoides etc.
> >
> > > for some reason they are often the ones that are out of favor back in
> North
> > > Ameica: silver maple, box-elder, and black locust as examples.
> >
> > That's true. I think one reason is that there are not similar species
> > in European nature: no maples with silvery leaf underside, no maples
> > with compoud leaves and no large fabaceous trees. The gardeners like
> > trees they don't see everywhere in the bush. In addition, the locust
> > borer is absent in Europe, and consequently Black Locust is very vital
> > here - even too vital: in southern Europe it has become one of the
> > most common tree species.
> >
> > - Kouta
>
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