Russ,.

It really is a wonderful experience to walk in the forest when it's below zero 
F in temperature.  In the winter, the sun throws longer shadows all day long, 
giving you a completely different perspective compared to other seasons.  
Animal tracks are exagerrated at mid-day.  From the moment the sun breaks the 
horizon at daybreak, the sun brings welcomed warmth.  But you are right... 
during the last 2-3 hours of the day, the dropping temperatures, falling 
thermal air currents, and the decreasing solar warmth is easily detected by our 
senses in these "extreme" conditions.   This change happens even earlier in 
low-lying, dense black spruce bogs.   As long as the rest of the body is kept 
warm, the chill of the air on the face feels strangely refreshing.  But 
condensation freezes on the eyelashes, sometimes obstructing vision.  At times, 
snow crystals form and fall under clear skies.  Snow dogs can be seen around 
the sun, forming rainbow circles completely around the sun due to ice crystals 
in the upper atmosphere.  Everything sounds different as sounds travel further 
in the denser air.  Wolf howls can be heard for just short of 2 miles, but both 
snowplows scraping on highways and snowmobiles without mufflers can be heard 
from 6-8 miles away.  In the morning, trees make gunshot sounds as they crack 
from thermal expansion from the rising sun.  As the day cools, they repeat the 
sounds as they split from thermal contraction.  Ice on distant lakes and rivers 
make even louder pop sounds, sometimes accompanied by an eerie twanging tone 
following the crack sound.

I always wear multiple layers that on their own, would be questionable for 
30-40F weather, but in layers, bring comfort to -35F.  As the day warms and 
cools, I can unzip or remove layers to adjust to the changing conditions.  You 
can't do that when you wear only one or two extremely warm layers.  Also, I 
never wear cotton or cotton blends, and avoid baggy inner layers.  All layers 
are synthetic, moisture wicking layers, so my snug inner layers always wick 
away perspiration and remain dry.  I never have to change a shirt or bring 
extras along.  With the synthetics, if I get wet with melting snow, or even 
freezing rain in warmer weather, the wetness wicks/moves to the outer layers 
and evaporates off.  If there is precipitation, light rain or any snow, I use a 
polar fleece outer layer.  I only use gore-tex and/or nylon shells if it's 
above freezing and raining, or if it's really windy out, over 20mph.  Since my 
long underwear is washed with baking soda added to the detergent, body odor 
does not become a problem with a full day of activity. 

You'd think that animal activity would be non-existent when it's that cold, but 
animals need to survive.  Animal sounds are magnified and you'd swear that the 
footfalls of a squirrel were an approaching wolf.  Bears are denning and the 
warmth from their bodies and their underground dens often allow a channel to 
remain open up to the snows surface between the crotches of the roots of the 
logging era pine stump that forms the dens ceiling.  Deer tracks in deep snow 
tell tale of the their decision to abandon intermediate yarding areas for the 
larger bedding areas in the cedar swamps surrounded dense spruce/fir or hemlock 
forest.  If there is a thawing cycle, snow fleas can be seen dancing in your 
footprints through coniferous forests.  Goldeneye ducks heading south for the 
northernmost open water give away their presence with a strange pulsating 
whirring of their wings.  Flocks of crossbills can be heard chirping as they 
fly through the spruce and hemlocks, picking seeds from their cones.  Pine 
martens hunting seem to be playfully shooting up and down trees, check you out 
up close, then take off for seclusion.  Ermine or least weasels porpoise 
through the snow in their white coats, only given away by their dark eyes and 
black tipped tails.  They may curiously jump over your feet when they come to 
see what you are, unless you move.  You wonder what they were looking for in 
this apparently frozen country, when you notice a red-backed vole emerging from 
the snow underneath an old, decaying hemlock log.  It's come to eat the crumbs 
from the peanut butter sandwich that you brought for lunch.  I could go on and 
on...

Paul


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: [email protected] 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [ENTS] Cold is good


  Paul:

  I, like you very much enjoy extreme cold ....there is something perversely 
enjoyable about being outside at temps close to zero or below with a gentle 
wind that feels like a laser on your cheeks.  As I've gotten older and reached 
the point where I am almost always working alone, I no longer go out for more 
than six or eight hours in the woods if the temperature isn't going to get 
above zero.

  I agree about layering and how you mix them is so incredibly important.  The 
general availability of good mixed material boots like Sorels with removable 
felts makes many aspects of extreme weather much more enjoyable today than 30 
or 40 years ago.  

  I'd like to offer a tip for heavy physical effort and perspiration in extreme 
cold weather.   In almost any circumstance where I am going to climb up a big 
mountain or expose myself to a substantial period of serious effort in very 
cold temperatures, I'll carry a spare T-shirt.  At the point where I decide 
that the period of most severe effort has ended I will immediately stop in as 
calm a point as possible and strip down my top layers down to bare skin and 
take off the wettest bottommost layer of my shirts and completely dress back up 
with a dry shirt on the bottom.  Such a change has always been refreshing and 
nearly always prevents me from developing a chill.  Also, if I plan it 
carefully  and I am able to make the wardrobe change before my body starts to 
recover from the strain of the climb and begin cooling off I have an extremely 
good chance of remaining comfortable at whatever the temperature is for several 
hours.

  One question, for everyone who spends a lot of time in the woods during the 
coldest part of winter....have you noticed that there is a time in the 
afternoon when something changes to make the air suddenly "feel" colder.  In 
Western Massachusetts during January I usually found that time to be between 
3:15 and 3:30 on the coldest days.  Other people were the first to point this 
change out to me and it seems to be most readily noticeable in forested 
locations that are on north or east facing areas (out of any sun).

  Russ



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Jost <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 2:30 pm
  Subject: Re: [ENTS] Cold is good


  Bob,

  As I get older, I also have reduced tolerance for the cold.  The key is to 
have proper clothing and to keep moving.  Conventional cold weather gear is 
woefully inadequate.  It is a significant investment to outfit one's self with 
the proper clothing.  From years of deer hunting, moving slowly or not at all 
for several hours at a time in subzero weather, I have evolved a clothing 
arrangement that allows me to do so relatively comfortably.  Few people that I 
have come across in winter are dressed in winter clothing other than what is 
available in the typical chain store or department store.  It's good for urban 
living but not rural stomping.  Even most hunting clothing traps too much 
moisture.  My cold weather midyear and outerwear, boots and socks come mostly 
from Cabala's, thermal underwear and glove liners from REI, glove-mitts and 
knit caps from anyone that has them.  

  Paul
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: [email protected] 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM
    Subject: Re: [ENTS] Cold is good


    Paul, 


    I salute you my friend. I never thought about the dvantages as you have 
described them. However, as one ages, tolerance to cold diminishes. At least, 
that is true in my case. I am becoming a real wuss. 


    Bob

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Paul Jost" <[email protected]>
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 1:38:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
    Subject: [ENTS] Cold is good

    I disagree.  The best time to search some sites is when it is below zero, 
as 
    long as the wind is nearly calm.   About 10 years ago, I spent a three day 
    weekend in fresh snow in the Cathedral Pines and Giant Pine Groves in the 
    Nicolet National Forest.  It never got warmer than -10F and was mostly -15 
    to -20F.  The cold weather kept all people out of the woods (except for one 
    individual on the December bird count survey day) and the fresh snow 
allowed 
    me to track a real viewable grid pattern through the entire Cathedral Pine 
    grove without having to refer to a GPS the whole time.  This freed up my 
    hands and eyes for quick on the fly rough-estimation scanning through the 
    grove.  The lack of other people due to the cold allowed me to refer to my 
    footsteps in the snow for ensuring a thorough scouting of the grove.  The 
    lack of wind allowed me to not be burdened with a heavy winter coat.  I 
    generated enough heat by walking in the knee deep snow and crossing 
    blowdowns.  I wore a light sweater, light vest, and light jacket with light 
    gloves and a cap.  It was refreshing to be dressed lightly and out in the 
    brisk weather crashing through underbrush.  However, if I stopped for more 
    than a few minutes to measure a tree, I soon got too cold.  I kept the 
    laser, GPS, and camera one layer deep within my clothes.  Any more would 
    have made them too warm and condensation would have damaged them after 
their 
    periodic exposures to the cold air.  The circumstances allowed me to find 
    tall skinny 133 foot white pines whose crowns had been 25-35' higher but 
had 
    at some time been bent horizontal by heavy snow loads.  All of those trees 
    have since fallen since then due to subsequent snow loads in combination 
    with their arching bent over habit.  Additionally, I covered an area that I 
    normally would have ignored, but went into to stick to my regimen of well 
    defined grids in the snow.  As a result, I found 147' and 150' tall white 
    pines adjacent to each other outside the main grove.  Those are the tallest 
    trees that I have measured in Wisconsin outside the Menominee Reservation. 
    Both accurately laser measured in -22F weather in the dusky twilight and 
    reverified within a half a foot on a 95F midsummer day the following year. 
    That time, the grove was filled with tourists and nesting great blue 
herons, 
    as well as mosquitoes!  I preferred the colder day.

    Paul


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Lee Frelich" <[email protected]>
    To: <[email protected]>
    Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:08 AM
    Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: The Ramble Grove_Asheville NC


    > Bob:
    >
    > Yes, keeping electronic instruments under your coat is pretty much
    > necessary when its below zero. However, I don't do field work on days
    > when the high is predicted to be below zero. Its just not an efficient
    > use of time. 0-10 degrees is my minimum for field work, although I do
    > recreational activities at colder temperatures.
    >
    > Lee
    >
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> James,
    >>
    >> Well, north is relative. At my latitude, we grab opportunities when
    >> they arise and just limit our exposure, time wise. Farther north, in
    >> Lee's neck of the woods, I think measuring gets suspended entirely. He
    >> and Paul will have to confirm that observation, but trying to get a
    >> laser to work in sub-zero is not a smart idea. Maybe they have
    >> techniques like keeping the laser inside a garment next to the body,
    >> whipping it out, taking a quick shot and submerging it again.
    >>
    >> Bob
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "James Parton" <[email protected]>
    >> To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected]>
    >> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 9:26:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
    >> Subject: [ENTS] Re: The Ramble Grove_Asheville NC
    >>
    >> Bob,
    >>
    >> I was hoping for an outing tomorrow, but cold hands may be a real
    >> problem. How do northern ents cope? That button on the Nikon 440 is
    >> too small to use adequately with heavily gloved hands and try writing
    >> down data with heavy gloves on. I have learned that pulling off your
    >> gloves, even for a short time is not usually a good idea!
    >>
    >> James.
    >>
    >>
    >> On Jan 2, 8:20 am, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > James
    >> >
    >> >      Good job. I sympathize with you on the freezing hands problem.
    >> > That was what curtailed my tree measuring in Montpelier.
    >> >
    >> > Bob
    >> >
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    >> >
    >> > On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:35 AM, James Parton <[email protected]>
    >> > wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > > ENTS,
    >> >
    >> > > Today I finally got back to do some measuring of a nice White Pine
    >> > > grove that I found while on another hike back in January 2009. The
    >> > > grove is located between the Blue Ridge Parkway and Hendersonville
    >> > > Rd ( Hwy 25 ) near where the parkway crosses over 25. I call it the
    >> > > Ramble Grove because of the nearby Ramble housing development
    >> > > located nearby.
    >> >
    >> > >
    >>  http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/north_carolina/20090125-b...
    >> >
    >> > > The grove is dominated by Eastern White Pine but also contains
    >> > > Tuliptree and Pitch Pine with American Holly as an understory tree.
    >> > > A few oaks and shortleaf pines are found here too, especially near
    >> > > the borders of the grove. Large Poison Ivy vines also climb to great
    >> > > heights into the trees. I found one huge vine that was two feet in
    >> > > circumference! Why do some forests have large Poison Ivy vines while
    >> > > others lack Poison Ivy all together? Poison Ivy seems rare in most
    >> > > older growth forests I visit while it seems more common in younger
    >> > > forests. Especially near populated areas. Does anyone know why?  I
    >> > > would guess this grove to be young judging by the trees youthful
    >> > > appearance and many branch stubs on the trunks of the pines. I would
    >> > > guess the grove at 60-80 years old.
    >> >
    >> > > The tallest tree found today was a respectable White Pine that was
    >> > > 143..2 feet tall and 6' 3" in girth. Tall and slim. The largest
    >> > > overall was a Tuliptree that was 138.3 feet tall and 8' 9" in girth.
    >> >
    >> > > Also a hollylike plant was found in the forest that I believe is an
    >> > > invasive species. Can anyone identify this " mystery holly " for me?
    >> > > I have seen it as an ornamental in people's yards. I think my dad
    >> > > has one.. I don't think it is a true ilex.
    >> >
    >> > > Here are todays measurements
    >> >
    >> > >                                         cbh              Height
    >> >
    >> > > White Pine                        6' 3"             130.3'
    >> >
    >> > > White Pine                        8' 0"             122.6'
    >> >
    >> > > White Pine                        6' 2"             136.5'
    >> >
    >> > > Tuliptree                           8' 9"              138.3'
    >> >
    >> > > White Pine                       6' 3"              143.2' !
    >> >
    >> > > Pitch Pine                        5' 6"               114.3' !
    >> >
    >> > > It was a good day but my hands were about frozen when I got out of
    >> > > the woods!
    >> >
    >> > > James Parton
    >> >
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    >> > > <Poison_Ivy.JPG>
    >> > > <Mystery_Holly.JPG>
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