Ed, Thanks. I as wondering about that. I have noticed that some of my posts have been a bit slow. Sorry & Thanks.
James On Jan 3, 3:07 pm, "Edward Frank" <[email protected]> wrote: > James, > > For some reason, many of your posts are being flagged as spam by Google. So > be patient if you don't see your post in a few minutes. You likely do not > need to send it again. I might need to approve it before it appears. I > don't know why this is as you are on the allowed to post listing with the > group. > > Ed > > http://nature-web-network.blogspot.com/http://primalforests.ning.com/http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=709156957 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Parton > To: ENTSTrees > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:38 PM > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Cold is good > > Russ, > > Yes, I do like the idea of the removeable felt. Take it out and let it > dry. It would dry much faster than a wet boot would! It sounds like > you have had no splitting problem with the rubber bottom of your boots > below the leather uppers? > > JP > > On Jan 3, 2:19 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > James: > > > The thing I like about the Sorel boots is the rubber bottom with the sewn > on leather uppers. The leather top allows you to tighten the boots better and > add they add much more support than just rubber and the removable inner felts > provide insulation from the cold and substantially more padding than straight > rubber boots. Also, most of the Sorels I have seen come with a sole that is > not much like a traditional hiking boot sole. There are some extremely good > tread designs that can greatly reduce your likelihood of slipping and sliding > in the snow...in the woods or otherwise. > > > LL Bean used to have a thing called a Maine hunting shoe. It was similar > in design with rubber bottoms and leather uppers but they didn't have the > felt inserts. The best thing about felts is that you can removed them every > night so that they can dry out. > > > In traditional rubber boots they usually broke down at the back of the > boot between heel and ankle. Having the boots with leather uppers solved most > of the problems associated with getting your feet wet because of holes in the > boots....I just would try not to kick a lot of broken glass and barbed wire > out of my way while I'm wearing them. > > > They also hold up a lot better if you are snowshoeing. > > > I hate getting my feet wet anywhere but the shower, swimming hole or > bathtub so I would say that in spite of being a forester my preference for > swamp slogging would be via either a boat or during an extended period of the > most frigid conditions possible on the very last day before the weather > changes. > > > Lee could probably add some serious discussion to some of the unique > things there are see and do in a frozen swamp. > > > Russ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Parton <[email protected]> > > To: ENTSTrees <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 1:49 pm > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Cold is good > > > Russ, > > I like your recommendations, especially on the Sorel boots, in which I > > ust looked up. They look like good winter boots with well above > > verage ratings. On the Sorels that have the rubber bottoms have you > > ver had the rubber to crack or split? I had a pair of rubber bottomed > > oots and that is exactly what happened, plus they froze my feet off > > ven with the 400gr Thinsulate insulation. Dad had a pair of rubber- > > ottoms that split as well. > > My current two pairs of boots are Herman Survivors. Back in the 1980's > > S was a very credible and fairly expensive boot. Wal-Mart aquired the > > ompany in the early 2000s and they are now no longer made in the USA. > > hey still have some decent boots but are getting worse year by year > > nd their selection of good outdoor hiking/hunting boots is becoming > > ess. I cannot even find the style I have in my hiking boots that I > > ave by them anymore. I have had them for six years and walked the > > rap outta them and they still have lots of wear left. On my insulated > > ermans, they have 400gr Thinsulate and have done well so far. I have > > ot tried them much in really cold weather though. One thing is for > > ure. They are waterproof. I slogged around in the muddy water of > > ongaree Swamp last year measuring cypress knees without a leak! > > James Parton > > > n Jan 3, 10:31 am, [email protected] wrote: > > Paul: > > > I, like you very much enjoy extreme cold ....there is something perversely > > njoyable about being outside at temps close to zero or below with a > gentle wind > > hat feels like a laser on your cheeks. As I've gotten older and reached > the > > oint where I am almost always working alone, I no longer go out for more > than > > ix or eight hours in the woods if the temperature isn't going to get above > > ero. > > > I agree about layering and how you mix them is so incredibly important. > The > > eneral availability of good mixed material boots like Sorels with > removable > > elts makes many aspects of extreme weather much more enjoyable today than > 30 or > > 0 years ago. > > > I'd like to offer a tip for heavy physical effort and perspiration in > extreme > > old weather. In almost any circumstance where I am going to climb up a big > > ountain or expose myself to a substantial period of serious effort in > very cold > > emperatures, I'll carry a spare T-shirt. At the point where I decide that > the > > eriod of most severe effort has ended I will immediately stop in as calm a > > oint as possible and strip down my top layers down to bare skin and take > off > > he wettest bottommost layer of my shirts and completely dress back up > with a > > ry shirt on the bottom. Such a change has always been refreshing and > nearly > > lways prevents me from developing a chill. Also, if I plan it carefully > and I > > m able to make the wardrobe change before my body starts to recover from > the > > train of the climb and begin cooling off I have an extremely good chance > of > > emaining comfortable at whatever the temperature is for several hours. > > > One question, for everyone who spends a lot of time in the woods during > the > > oldest part of winter....have you noticed that there is a time in the > afternoon > > hen something changes to make the air suddenly "feel" colder. In Western > > assachusetts during January I usually found that time to be between 3:15 > and > > :30 on the coldest days. Other people were the first to point this change > out > > o me and it seems to be most readily noticeable in forested locations > that are > > n north or east facing areas (out of any sun). > > > Russ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Jost <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 2:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Cold is good > > > Bob, > > > As I get older, I also have reduced tolerance for the cold. The key is to > > ave proper clothing and to keep moving. Conventional cold weather gear is > > oefully inadequate. It is a significant investment to outfit one's self > with > > he proper clothing. From years of deer hunting, moving slowly or not at > all > > or several hours at a time in subzero weather, I have evolved a clothing > > rrangement that allows me to do so relatively comfortably. Few people > that I > > ave come across in winter are dressed in winter clothing other than what > is > > vailable in the typical chain store or department store. It's good for > urban > > iving but not rural stomping. Even most hunting clothing traps too much > > oisture. My cold weather midyear and outerwear, boots and socks come > mostly > > rom Cabala's, thermal underwear and glove liners from REI, glove-mitts > and knit > > aps from anyone that has them. > > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Cold is good > > > Paul, > > > I salute you my friend. I never thought about the dvantages as you have > > escribed them. However, as one ages, tolerance to cold diminishes. At > least, > > hat is true in my case. I am becoming a real wuss. > > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Jost" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 1:38:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: [ENTS] Cold is good > > > I disagree. The best time to search some sites is when it is below zero, > as > > long as the wind is nearly calm. About 10 years ago, I spent a three day > > weekend in fresh snow in the Cathedral Pines and Giant Pine Groves in the > > Nicolet National Forest. It never got warmer than -10F and was mostly -15 > > to -20F. The cold weather kept all people out of the woods (except for one > > individual on the December bird count survey day) and the fresh snow > allowed > > me to track a real viewable grid pattern through the entire Cathedral Pine > > grove without having to refer to a GPS the whole time. This freed up my > > hands and eyes for quick on the fly rough-estimation scanning through the > > grove. The lack of other people due to the cold allowed me to refer to my > > footsteps in the snow for ensuring a thorough scouting of the grove. The > > lack of wind allowed me to not be burdened with a heavy winter coat. I > > generated enough heat by walking in the knee deep snow and crossing > > blowdowns. I wore a light sweater, light vest, and light jacket with light > > gloves and a cap. It was refreshing to be dressed lightly and out in the > > brisk weather crashing through underbrush. However, if I stopped for more > > than a few minutes to measure a tree, I soon got too cold. I kept the > > laser, GPS, and camera one layer deep within my clothes. Any more would > > have made them too warm and condensation would have damaged them after > their > > periodic exposures to the cold air. The circumstances allowed me to find > > tall skinny 133 foot white pines whose crowns had been 25-35' higher but > had > > at some time been bent horizontal by heavy snow loads. All of those trees > > have since fallen since then due to > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected]
