It is unfortunately true that all of our mainstream news is owned by Murdoch
and Co and his ilk. It is rather scary for an ³informed democracy² to be
dependent on a for-profit media. I wish the anti-trust officials would
wake up and trust bust the media because until that happens we are stuck
with Murdoch¹s untra-pro-capitalist viewpoint. And no, I am not a
communist.
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From: Ariel <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:00:38 -0800 (PST)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: A little story
Must agree, Beth - which is why I do listen to BBC and NPR (though NPR has
also been guilty of providing 'balance' over objectivity).
To Mr. Jost - open 'MY' mind? *cough*, *sputter* LOL!!!!! That's the pot
calling the kettle, dude.
If you find Faux News credible in any form, well, I simply have to question
your intellect. They are notorious for putting cretins like Beck and Co. on
TV and DAILY make claims that are easily proven wrong. I may not like the
milk toast, spineless reporting of the mainstream media, but at least I can
confirm they aren't flat out lying. And that's something I can't say about
Faux News.
Lin
--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Beth Koebel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Beth Koebel <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: A little story
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:52 AM
>
> ENTS,
> With all the recent tv news bashing on this site I thought that I will put in
> my two cents...all Amercian based news casts slant one way or another. One
> got caught making up news that doesn't mean the others haven't. I personally
> litsen to two sources of the news..BBC and NPR.
> Beth
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:31, Paul Jost <[email protected]
> <http://us.mc562..mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote:
>
>> Come on, open your mind. CNN and MSNBC are horrible reporters, as horribly
>> liberal slanted as Fox is horribly conservative slanted. Excluding the shock
>> shows, Fox tends to more accurately report both sides while still slanting
>> conservative while the others put in only token efforts to report the
>> conservative viewpoints. None of the national press sources are even close
>> to being balanced. Both state many truths mixed with omissions and
>> distortions. If you believe otherwise, than you only accept lies that
>> support your view point, which is not necessarily a good thing, but maybe to
>> you it is.
>>
>> The truth is that the press on both sides has an agenda and slants their
>> reporting accordingly. Both parties have good points and bad points on their
>> platforms. Neither is the right choice. Unfortunately, the other choices
>> aren't realistic winners any time soon. This is why many midwesterners tend
>> to be middle of the roaders, handpicking moderate candidates that lean their
>> way. For some reason, the more urban coast dwellers feel the need to be more
>> polarized and are condescending to eachother regarding their viewpoints, both
>> arrogantly asserting their correctness over the other.
>>
>> Admit it. There is not perfect party, and at different levels, local, state,
>> national, the right choice is not always from the same party. ...and with
>> the level of corruption that increases at the higher levels, I'd argue that
>> most of the time, there is no right choice. We have all heard many examples
>> of anti-environmental policy by conservatives, but the liberals are guilty of
>> similar practices at times, too. Here is one example that comes to mind, out
>> of many. Hopefully, all my recollections are accurate.
>>
>> Many liberals champion Clinton's environmental policy, while many at regional
>> and state levels that were affected by his poorer environmental policies,
>> chastised him. There was a western old growth preservationist group called
>> something like Environmentalists Against Clinton, or something like that.
>> There were others like the Siskiyou Regional Education Project. Easterners
>> never heard about them. The liberal national press didn't give them or their
>> issues any coverage. They were angered by Clinton's signing of legislation
>> with the Salvage Rider which re-enabled logging of forests that had only
>> months earlier been protected, or assumed to be protected by the nationally
>> publicized spotted owl protection effort. Once things quieted down, he
>> reopened logging under another name. The roadless area protection that
>> Clinton is credited with was passes as an executive order during his last
>> days as president so that he wouldn't have to deal with it's negative
>> political impacts against rich lobbyists until after the election. At least
>> through the end of Bush's first term, more old growth forest was logged
>> during the Clinton years. With what was reported at the time, you would think
>> that in Bush's first term, he would have surpassed the Clinton era's logging
>> of old growth forests in the west. A quick internet search came up with
>> this text from that time:
>> http://www.fireecology.org/research/post_rider_salvage.htm
>> <http://www.fireecology.org/research/post_rider_salvage.htm>
>>
>> There is NO right party. Both of them really stink!!! Stop the superiority
>> complex attitudes and open your minds a little.. Geez! Given the lessons of
>> the past, and all the rhetoric coming from the current administration, I
>> won't believe that Obama is any better until he accomplishes something
>> significant without continuing to ruin our economy. (Yes, continuing down
>> the path of economic self-distruction of ALL the recent past presidents
>> during my lifetime.)
>>
>> Paul J.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ariel <[email protected]
>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote:
>>> "I could say the same about CNN and the other networks"
>>>
>>> No, you couldn't. Only Faux News blatantly makes things up. The rest
>>> simply confuse 'balance' for objectivity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Will Fell <[email protected]
>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Will Fell <[email protected]
>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >
>>>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: A little story
>>>> To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected]
>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >
>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 9:49 AM
>>>>
>>>> I too am a conservative and an environmentalist. I could say the same
>>>> about CNN and the other networks which are nothing more than the
>>>> publicity arm of the current administration. Ed makes a good point
>>>> about the NRA and if you look at the current enviromental groups THAT
>>>> REALLY do make a difference, they hew somewhat to the same narrow
>>>> focus.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 21, 10:12 pm, Barry Caselli <[email protected]
>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > You say "Fox Network". Are you referring to the local Fox affiliate, or
>>>>> The Fox News Channel? The Fox News Channel is one of my all-time favorite
>>>>> channels.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Lee Frelich <[email protected]
>>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From: Lee Frelich <[email protected]
>>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [ENTS] A little story
>>>>> > To: [email protected]
>>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>>>> > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:55 PM
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bob:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Similar thing happened to me at the Buick dealer in Minneapolis two
>>>>> > weeks ago, except the TV was set on Fox network. I had no idea that TV
>>>>> > was such irrational nonsense. If I though it would do any good, I would
>>>>> > write in and tell the FCC that Fox should not be relicensed to broadcast
>>>>> > when their current license expires.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lee
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [email protected]
>>>>> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> > > ENTS,
>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Back when I was younger, before my hair turned gray and starting
>>>>>> > > falling out, I imagined how I might recognize the onset of decline
>>>>>> > > into old age with its attendant feelings of powerlessness and the
>>>>>> > > eventual oblivion?
>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > This morning I think I discovered the metric needed, while waiting
for
>>>>>> > > my car to be serviced at the local Buick dealer. It was a little too
>>>>>> > > raw to go outside and wander around looking at trees, so I stuck it
>>>>>> > > out in the waiting room, which meant I was exposed to the T.V. set.
>>>>>> > > Game shows. Horror of horrors. Two little old ladies had copped the
>>>>>> > > set were glued to the wins and losses. They discouraged any thoughts
>>>>>> > > of channel changing with piercing looks. I audibly mumbled my
>>>>>> > > displeasure, but wasn't about to chance getting swatted by an old
>>>>>> > > lady's purse.. I sullenly set through the hoopla.
>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Game shows. What better measure of mental decline than a tally of the
>>>>>> > > number of hours spent watching giddy contestants alternately scream
>>>>>> > > and bawl and confirm our addiction to materialism. Where do we cast
>>>>>> > > our ballots for euthanasia?
>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Bob
>>>>> >
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