ENTS/WNTS- It is all too easy to fall prey to the spinners out there...with polarizing tactics designed to push us further away, rather than towards collaboration.
I recall one of my first attempts at an essay for an English 101 college class on the relative merits of confrontation versus collaboration...since then I've found that any positive changes I've contributed to were those that involved the efforts and energies necessary for collaboration. -don Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:20:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: A little story From: [email protected] To: [email protected] It is unfortunately true that all of our mainstream news is owned by Murdoch and Co and his ilk. It is rather scary for an “informed democracy” to be dependent on a for-profit media. I wish the anti-trust officials would wake up and trust bust the media because until that happens we are stuck with Murdoch’s untra-pro-capitalist viewpoint. And no, I am not a communist. -- Carolyn Summers 63 Ferndale Drive Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 914-478-5712 From: Ariel <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:00:38 -0800 (PST) To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: A little story Must agree, Beth - which is why I do listen to BBC and NPR (though NPR has also been guilty of providing 'balance' over objectivity). To Mr. Jost - open 'MY' mind? *cough*, *sputter* LOL!!!!! That's the pot calling the kettle, dude. If you find Faux News credible in any form, well, I simply have to question your intellect. They are notorious for putting cretins like Beck and Co. on TV and DAILY make claims that are easily proven wrong. I may not like the milk toast, spineless reporting of the mainstream media, but at least I can confirm they aren't flat out lying. And that's something I can't say about Faux News. Lin --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Beth Koebel <[email protected]> wrote: From: Beth Koebel <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: A little story To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:52 AM ENTS, With all the recent tv news bashing on this site I thought that I will put in my two cents...all Amercian based news casts slant one way or another. One got caught making up news that doesn't mean the others haven't. I personally litsen to two sources of the news..BBC and NPR. Beth Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:31, Paul Jost <[email protected] <http://us.mc562..mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: Come on, open your mind. CNN and MSNBC are horrible reporters, as horribly liberal slanted as Fox is horribly conservative slanted. Excluding the shock shows, Fox tends to more accurately report both sides while still slanting conservative while the others put in only token efforts to report the conservative viewpoints. None of the national press sources are even close to being balanced. Both state many truths mixed with omissions and distortions. If you believe otherwise, than you only accept lies that support your view point, which is not necessarily a good thing, but maybe to you it is. The truth is that the press on both sides has an agenda and slants their reporting accordingly. Both parties have good points and bad points on their platforms. Neither is the right choice. Unfortunately, the other choices aren't realistic winners any time soon. This is why many midwesterners tend to be middle of the roaders, handpicking moderate candidates that lean their way. For some reason, the more urban coast dwellers feel the need to be more polarized and are condescending to eachother regarding their viewpoints, both arrogantly asserting their correctness over the other. Admit it. There is not perfect party, and at different levels, local, state, national, the right choice is not always from the same party. ...and with the level of corruption that increases at the higher levels, I'd argue that most of the time, there is no right choice. We have all heard many examples of anti-environmental policy by conservatives, but the liberals are guilty of similar practices at times, too. Here is one example that comes to mind, out of many. Hopefully, all my recollections are accurate. Many liberals champion Clinton's environmental policy, while many at regional and state levels that were affected by his poorer environmental policies, chastised him. There was a western old growth preservationist group called something like Environmentalists Against Clinton, or something like that. There were others like the Siskiyou Regional Education Project. Easterners never heard about them. The liberal national press didn't give them or their issues any coverage. They were angered by Clinton's signing of legislation with the Salvage Rider which re-enabled logging of forests that had only months earlier been protected, or assumed to be protected by the nationally publicized spotted owl protection effort. Once things quieted down, he reopened logging under another name. The roadless area protection that Clinton is credited with was passes as an executive order during his last days as president so that he wouldn't have to deal with it's negative political impacts against rich lobbyists until after the election. At least through the end of Bush's first term, more old growth forest was logged during the Clinton years. With what was reported at the time, you would think that in Bush's first term, he would have surpassed the Clinton era's logging of old growth forests in the west. A quick internet search came up with this text from that time: http://www.fireecology.org/research/post_rider_salvage.htm <http://www.fireecology.org/research/post_rider_salvage.htm> There is NO right party. Both of them really stink!!! Stop the superiority complex attitudes and open your minds a little.. Geez! Given the lessons of the past, and all the rhetoric coming from the current administration, I won't believe that Obama is any better until he accomplishes something significant without continuing to ruin our economy. (Yes, continuing down the path of economic self-distruction of ALL the recent past presidents during my lifetime.) Paul J. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ariel <[email protected] <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: "I could say the same about CNN and the other networks" No, you couldn't. Only Faux News blatantly makes things up. The rest simply confuse 'balance' for objectivity. Lin --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Will Fell <[email protected] <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: From: Will Fell <[email protected] <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Subject: [ENTS] Re: A little story To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected] <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 9:49 AM I too am a conservative and an environmentalist. I could say the same about CNN and the other networks which are nothing more than the publicity arm of the current administration. Ed makes a good point about the NRA and if you look at the current enviromental groups THAT REALLY do make a difference, they hew somewhat to the same narrow focus. On Dec 21, 10:12 pm, Barry Caselli <[email protected] <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: > You say "Fox Network". Are you referring to the local Fox affiliate, or The > Fox News Channel? The Fox News Channel is one of my all-time favorite > channels. > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Lee Frelich <[email protected] > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: > > From: Lee Frelich <[email protected] > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] A little story > To: [email protected] > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:55 PM > > Bob: > > Similar thing happened to me at the Buick dealer in Minneapolis two > weeks ago, except the TV was set on Fox network. I had no idea that TV > was such irrational nonsense. If I though it would do any good, I would > write in and tell the FCC that Fox should not be relicensed to broadcast > when their current license expires. > > Lee > > > > > > [email protected] > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> wrote: > > ENTS, > > > Back when I was younger, before my hair turned gray and starting > > falling out, I imagined how I might recognize the onset of decline > > into old age with its attendant feelings of powerlessness and the > > eventual oblivion? > > > This morning I think I discovered the metric needed, while waiting for > > my car to be serviced at the local Buick dealer. It was a little too > > raw to go outside and wander around looking at trees, so I stuck it > > out in the waiting room, which meant I was exposed to the T.V. set. > > Game shows. Horror of horrors. Two little old ladies had copped the > > set were glued to the wins and losses. They discouraged any thoughts > > of channel changing with piercing looks. I audibly mumbled my > > displeasure, but wasn't about to chance getting swatted by an old > > lady's purse.. I sullenly set through the hoopla. > > > Game shows. What better measure of mental decline than a tally of the > > number of hours spent watching giddy contestants alternately scream > > and bawl and confirm our addiction to materialism. 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