FACTS ARE NOT REAL BUT PRODUCTS OF A THEORY. READ T.S. Kuhn. iS this a group into epistemology or what? Why don't you subject your terms to examination? NOBODY calls matter real, it's called the material HYPO-thesis and unproven at that. It's a complete misinterpretation of what Descartes actually wrote. "WE" don't start with THE facts, YOU DO. Kindly avoid sloppy language. Since when has a majority decided what may or may not be discussed? When academia is a very small elite. If you visit onelook you'll find it actually does not define or explain reality only illustrates usages. online Etymology is equally shallow: 1550, originally a legal term in the sense of "fixed property," from M.L. realitatem (nom. realitas), from L.L. realis; meaning "real existence" is from 1647. AS in real estate. The dates given marks the opening of the revolt against Churchly hegemony taken over recently by academia.
""It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. Giordano Bruno WRITE OUT 100 TIMES AND HAND IN TOMMORROW, or else go back to sleep and don't snore. ""Intuition is the undoubting conception of a pure and attentive mind, which arises from the light of reason alone, and is more certain than deduction. Descartes YOU WON'T FIND THAT ONE IN A UNI TEXTBOOK, FUNNY THAT. You're running on herd instinct and memory. "" The lunatic, the lover, and the poet, Are of imagination all compact: One sees more devils than vast hell can hold, That is, the madman; the lover, all as frantic; Sees Helen's beauty in a brow of Egypt: The poet's eye, in a fine frenzy rolling, Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven; And, as imagination bodies forth The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing A local habitation and a name. Such tricks hath strong imagination, Midsummer Night's Dream V.I SHAKESPEARE. == He took frenzy from Giordano Bruno, the heroic frenzies addressed to Philip Sydney. NOT SURE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE AFRAID OF. adrian Sam Carana wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:49 AM, ornamentalmind > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As to Sam,.. Your apparent >> materialism in a conference on epistemology tends to limit the >> conversation though. > > I'm not sure what you refer to, but I've noted the inclination of many > to regard reality as made up only of tangible matter, while they at > the same time regard facts as made up only of intangible words. When I > speak of reality, they'll call me materialist, but when I give facts, > they'll suddenly call me deconstructionist. They create boxes in order > to accuse others of being limited, while shamelessly putting the same > person in two different boxes, each time arguing that the person was > limited to one box only. Moreover, they are blind to the > inconsistencies between the boxes they use. > > As I said, I like to start with the facts, on the assumption that it's > a given that the facts are real. We may not like reality and the facts > as we face them, and this may well drive one to make efforts to change > things, but the point is that we start with the facts. > > Cheers! > Sam Carana > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
