Sure I do, that's what I said, isn't it. As I said, I like to start
with facts, which consequently are the facts within the respective
debate.

You reject my use of the word 'the' in the facts, as if that meant
that I spoke on behalf of all people. Well, I never claimed to have
some exclusive insight as to what THE facts were, instead I pick facts
for the very reason that they are widely acknowledged as such.

Note that, by saying "WE don't start with THE facts", you DO appear to
claim to represent "US", something you seem to regard as something
that was wrong.

Feel free to start with nonsense, or whatever you like. Facts are
typically quoted, with the source included, so that anyone can check
them. Facts are not meant to be debated, it's instead the argument
that's meant to be debated. However, if you feel you have better
facts, feel free to present them.

I still believe you have nothing to say, so you won't know what facts
to look for, because you've got no argument.

Cheers!
Sam Carana

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FACTS ARE NOT REAL BUT PRODUCTS OF A THEORY.  READ T.S. Kuhn. iS this a group 
> into epistemology
> or what? Why don't you subject your terms to examination? NOBODY calls matter 
> real, it's called
> the material HYPO-thesis and unproven at that. It's a complete 
> misinterpretation of what
> Descartes actually wrote. "WE" don't start with THE facts, YOU DO. ...

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