When people talk about the 'Universe', I like to bring up the posssibility that the 'unity' that is implied in the word 'universe' may well be a fabrication by those who seek to keep society under their control by claiming special insight into this assumed 'unity', which is the basis of what is taught at their universities.
Cheers! Sam Carana On Nov 18, 1:11 pm, "Henry Kroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I read the article in Scientific American and sort of ignored it > because I wrote in my book three or four years ago that we live in an area > of space created by several so-called Big Bangs. This is evidenced by the > Hugh number of Red Dwarfs around us within a radius of 20 light years (about > 364). Also Banard's Star 5.88 LY to the northwest is coming toward us at 16+ > kilometers per second. > > These small burnt out objects could be tens of billions of years old. If > there is that many red dwarfs throughout space all space then it has to be > an endless process and there is no Big Bang. Additionally there has to be a > lot of black dwarfs out there but we can't see them yet. some day soon they > might find a way to detect them. One of the moon rocks was 20-billion years > old which points to a much older universe. > > These are exciting times. We must not let our religious beliefs taint > reality. If we do it will hold us back thousands of years and we may never > get off the planet. > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Sam Carana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Did you see the article in Scientific American? > > Big Bang or Big Bounce?: New Theory on the Universe's Birth > >http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=big-bang-or-big-bounce > > > Cheers! > > Sam Carana > > > On Nov 18, 12:46 pm, "Henry Kroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you like esoteria here is one for you: > > > > *Black diamonds from space indicate age of universe!** *** > > > > *If nobody was there to see it, was there a Big Bang? The whole idea that > > > such a titanic explosion could come from a single point the size smaller > > > than a Planck length 10E-35 meter and then billions of years later we are > > > here to explain it may be a creationest manifestation of reality. * > > > > *"The instant of creation remains unexplained." ---Professor Allan Guth > > of > > > MIT* > > > > *"The actual point of creation lies outside the scope of present day > > known > > > physics." ---Stephan Hawking * > > > > *Can science verify a consciousness? Are there watchers who protect us > > from > > > ourselves or is it quantum entanglement? Are we uncouscously shareing > > > quantum entanglement? Is there a God consciousness field responsible for > > > creation? "Religion without science is blind." What if we could acieve > > > consciousness enlightment individually? * > > > > *I am still not convinced that there was a big bang for a number of > > reasons. > > > The newest space telescopes are now seeing galaxies out to 14 billion > > light > > > years and they seem to be speeding away from us at increasing velocities > > > nearing the speed of light. For all we know photons might rund down and > > > shift to the red after traveling 14-billion light years. We just don't > > know. > > > The Big Bang theory is probably a religious manifestation of reality. * > > > > In fact, the Big Bang theory was invented by the Catholic Church. "What!" > > > you say. "I thought Edwin Hubble invented the Big Bang theory." Well, > > that's > > > not quite correct. A Catholic monk, George Lemaitre, first proposed the > > Big > > > Bang theory in 1927. American, Edwin Hubble published the idea in 1929 > > two > > > years after the Catholic Church grabbed onto the idea. It was Hubble that > > > attached the mathematics to the idea in an attempt to make sense of it. > > The > > > Catholics invented the idea to unite the Biblical idea of creation with > > > science at the time. You can't make something out of nothing. The > > > fundamental laws of physics specifically state this of in order to > > explain > > > the creation of all matter in the universe in an instant from an > > > infinitesimally-small, microscopic point you have to have an event with > > > infinite energy. The Catholic Church endorsed the Big Bang Theory because > > it > > > fit the Biblical creation paradigm, that there is an infinite God or > > YHWH. > > > > After Hubble published the theory the Church heralded it as proof that > > the > > > bible was scientifically accurate and "Divine Truth." Scholars have been > > > debating the validity of this theory for decades. > > > > *BIG BANG DOES NOT CONTRADICT CREATION* > > > > If the Big Bang theory is a reality, according to my reasoning it does > > not > > > contradict the Biblical six-day creation theory. Say for example, if God > > > were going to set off a firecracker big enough to create everything he > > would > > > need at lease a couple days head-start to get his spaceship up to light > > > speed before it went off. This might keep him ahead of the blast just far > > > enough to survive because he would be traveling at 99.9999 percent the > > speed > > > of light and his time would be slowed down to nothing. > > > > Our present knowledge of physics dictates that 12 to 13 billion years > > will > > > have passed while God traveling near the speed of light only experienced > > a > > > time elapse of three days. He would have had to set the charge just right > > to > > > create third dimensional matter. One way of doing this would be to create > > > lots of ORME atoms first which he could control with his brain waves. > > Then > > > he would use these particles to transmute the necessary elements to > > support > > > life in all it various forms. > > > > During the 12 to 14 billion years of time matter was supposed to have > > > expanded, destroying and recreated again into its present state God would > > > have had to regulate this process with brain waves. It would take God > > > another day or so to slow down from light speed, find a suitable world or > > > worlds, and push them into the correct orbits to support life. Then he > > > would have to find a moon to regulate the life cycles and get somebody to > > > man it. Hence "The Man in The Moon." Then he would have to take off again > > to > > > put a few billion more worlds into orbits everywhere. Finally on the > > sixth > > > day he would come back to find a world teeming with life (dinosaurs) of > > > every description. Then he would have to put hunters down there with big > > > guns to kill off the dinosaurs. > > > > The oxygen levels would have to be high enough to support animal life so > > > obviously he would have to put in orbit near a white dwarf star so that > > the > > > phytoplankton and diatoms would do their job of mopping up the CO2 > > releasing > > > oxygen for so-called higher life forms to breathe. God would then have > > to > > > kill off most of the animal life that is harmful to man and then create > > the > > > first man to have dominion over what he created. The easiest and most > > cost > > > effective way to do this is to divert a meteor into the Earth. Obviously, > > > God had lots of deck-hands or helpers (Angels) to do this. > > > > By this time, advanced civilizations throughout the Universe and planets > > in > > > other galaxies would have had a much longer time to evolve and be capable > > of > > > space travel. They were very interested in Earth because it had such a > > high > > > pressure atmosphere that was 1/3 CO2, the gas necessary for the creation > > of > > > all life, carbon being the perfect molecule to bond cell membranes. The > > > great pyramid is a model of a carbon molecule. They would have come to > > earth > > > many times in the past to help mankind evolve. The latest data shows that > > > man's DNA is a composite of 22 different alien species. We have lots of > > > relatives! > > > > They came down here and took some chimpanzee DNA, mixed in 22 of their > > own > > > specie and turned them loose to see if they would kill each other off. > > This > > > was done to eliminate a galactic war. We do the fighting why they stand > > back > > > and bet on the contestants. > > > > Einstein, being a member of the Christian-Jewish community was forced to > > go > > > along with the Big Bang theory but he had his reservations. He wondered > > > where the energy came from in the first place. There was no way he could > > > explain an infinitely small space creating enough energy to make > > everything. > > > Then when you get into expansion theory, science turns into science > > fiction. > > > > There is no way mankind can advance when he lets religion dictate what is > > > real and not real. Mankind will never discover the true meaning of God > > when > > > he forces his own ideas upon reality. If he is allowed to persist in this > > > fruitless endeavor he will never discover the truth. > > > > So, when did time begin? In Scientific American May 2004 issue: "Science > > > does not have a conclusive answer yet, but at least two potentially > > testable > > > theories plausibly hold that the universe-and therefore time-existed well > > > before the "big bang" (I don't think there was one). If either scenario > > is > > > right, the cosmos has always been in existence and, even if it > > re-collapses > > > one day, it will never end." > > > > *When will our galaxy collide with Andromeda?*** > > > > "Current measurements suggest that, I about 3-billion years, the Milky > > Way > > > and Andromeda may collide." –John Dubendki Hayden Planetarium University > > of > > > Toronto, Canada. This is more evidence that there is no such thing as a > > big > > > bang forcing the universe to expand. Galaxies wouldn't be colliding if > > they > > > are getting further apart! > > > > If the Universe is expanding then why are galaxies colliding? Shouldn't > > they > > > be getting further apart? The huge number of colliding galaxies throw > > > another monkey wrench into the big bang theory. Einstein wasn't > > completely > > > convinced that there is such a thing as a big bang but he went along with > > it > > > to placate the status quo. To read more of Einstein's ideas on this > > subject > > > and others read my book, Cosmological Ice > > > Ages.www.GuardDogBooks.com<http://ages.www.guarddogbooks.com/> > > <http://www.guarddogbooks.com/>&www.AlaskaPublishing.com<http://www.alaskapublishing.com/> > > <http://www.alaskapublishing.com/> > > > > *Then there is > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
