I hear you well. No I am not saying that---we are arguing on different planes of thought and it is difficult in a few sentences to explain the differences in the paths of thought.
What I am saying (and others here have tried to)--is that we must seperate the acquisition of knowledge by man, for our self understanding from---pre-existent natural phenomena in the universe whose existence is not conditional to our ability to discover them. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On May 6, 5:54 pm, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, fully agreed---the so called gravity is an abstract > > construct---fashioned by man to explain a *dimension* of nature's > laws--that > > already exists.Science is the tool we have used to charactarise and > explain > > it---science did not invent it. > > This is a contradiction: what you are saying is that gravity is a > concept, science is a collection of concepts > and science is invented. then you are saying science is not invented. > If gravity is one of the concepts generated by science then gravity is > invented. > The history of science teaches humility. A humility which you are > missing. > Would you say that the geocentric universe was NOT invented, or that > Pholgistan was NOT invented. > Are you trying to imply that invention has to be false? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:19 PM, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 5 maio, 17:53, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No, science did not invent gravity--science stumbled upon the > phenomenon > > > in > > > > the laws of nature that we refer to as gravity. > > > > > Yes science is just a model, what you refer to gravity is an abstract > > > model, the peheonmenon you "believe" you are referring to is not > > > gravity. > > > > > > The phenomenon was already there--but our senses did not have the > > > deductive > > > > capacity to concisely identify and define it. > > > > > Gravity has nothing to do with our senses, it is an abstract model > > > > > > Science is a tool sentient man INVENTED to help him unravel and > > > understand > > > > the mysteries of nature. Science is not an end--it is a means to > explore > > > and > > > > discover the myths and character of what is provided by > nature---which is > > > > laready there!. > > > > > This is partially true, but nature is also a word part of the trick. > > > Nobody of the old mates here can say I'm a scientist, I'm certainly > > > not, but also I am not the contrary position (which is...?) Simply > > > because that geometry is unsatisfactory. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Epistemology" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<epistemology%[email protected]> > <epistemology%2bunsubscr...@google groups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > > nubiaafrika.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<epistemology%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<epistemology%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > -- nubiaafrika.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
