Dah!! You aint getting this are you? No, he invented it! And yes man is the organising principle.
What came fist??? The laws of nature ARE manly knowledge. Sometimes they are lopsided more or less. On May 9, 6:39 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > So in your worldview--man created the universe and all that exist in it--ie, > man in your thought universe---is the so called "organizing principle" ??. > What came first the laws of nature or lopsided manly knowledge? > > > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On May 8, 5:54 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I hear you well. No I am not saying that---we are arguing on different > > > planes of thought and it is difficult in a few sentences to explain the > > > differences in the paths of thought. > > > > What I am saying (and others here have tried to)--is that we must > > seperate > > > the acquisition of knowledge by man, for our self understanding > > > from---pre-existent natural phenomena in the universe whose existence is > > not > > > conditional to our ability to discover them. > > > BUt to do that we must, with all humility, realise that all such > > phenomena are constructed. > > To say that they pre-exist, or that they exist without regard to man > > is false. > > With this knowledge we are more able to easily modify or even change > > our most dogmatic paradigms. > > It is the tendancy in history, to enforce and impose such paradigms as > > pure truth, that has, more than > > religion or other factors, contributed to inertia and supression of > > new ideas. > > The four humours, four elements were taken as simple pre-existing > > truths that existed regardless of man's > > ability to perceive them. This was false, but took thousands of years > > to overcome. > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 5:54 pm, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, fully agreed---the so called gravity is an abstract > > > > > construct---fashioned by man to explain a *dimension* of nature's > > > > laws--that > > > > > already exists.Science is the tool we have used to charactarise and > > > > explain > > > > > it---science did not invent it. > > > > > This is a contradiction: what you are saying is that gravity is a > > > > concept, science is a collection of concepts > > > > and science is invented. then you are saying science is not invented. > > > > If gravity is one of the concepts generated by science then gravity is > > > > invented. > > > > The history of science teaches humility. A humility which you are > > > > missing. > > > > Would you say that the geocentric universe was NOT invented, or that > > > > Pholgistan was NOT invented. > > > > Are you trying to imply that invention has to be false? > > > > > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:19 PM, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 5 maio, 17:53, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > No, science did not invent gravity--science stumbled upon the > > > > phenomenon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the laws of nature that we refer to as gravity. > > > > > > > Yes science is just a model, what you refer to gravity is an > > abstract > > > > > > model, the peheonmenon you "believe" you are referring to is not > > > > > > gravity. > > > > > > > > The phenomenon was already there--but our senses did not have the > > > > > > deductive > > > > > > > capacity to concisely identify and define it. > > > > > > > Gravity has nothing to do with our senses, it is an abstract model > > > > > > > > Science is a tool sentient man INVENTED to help him unravel and > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > the mysteries of nature. Science is not an end--it is a means to > > > > explore > > > > > > and > > > > > > > discover the myths and character of what is provided by > > > > nature---which is > > > > > > > laready there!. > > > > > > > This is partially true, but nature is also a word part of the > > trick. > > > > > > Nobody of the old mates here can say I'm a scientist, I'm certainly > > > > > > not, but also I am not the contrary position (which is...?) 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