By the way, retreads are good. I was reading through several sites on aviation tires and found that retreading is common for airliner tires.
When retreading a tire, one has a choice of the rubber compound used, the initial production process of a new tire supposedly does not give you that choice. There we are trading off a good casing flexibility with a hard tire surface. Means when making new tires you can only choose one kind of rubber over all. That's what I understood. On a retread you can vulcanize a harder rubber as the running surface while keeping the softer rubber for the overall tire. I kinda like the concept. I used retreads on my Beetle years ago and it was good. Here is what DESSER says: Retreads are actually the most underrated and best value in aviation today. When retreading, we put harder rubber compound compared to most new tires. Then Goodyear: Goodyear has been retreading aircraft tires since 1927. Today, most military and commercial airline tires are designed to be retreaded. Retreading an existing casing can provide more landings per tire at a lower cost per tread, giving a significantly lower overall operating cost. (http://www.goodyearaviation.com/img/pdf/retreading.pdf) Hartmut ----- Original Message ----- From: AJ DeMarzo To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Re: Nose wheel tires & tubes Dan; You need to taxi less and fly more! Al DeMarzo DON'T BUZZ OFF! Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page Free, Easy and No Membership Required http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Hall To: [email protected] ; Mark H. Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Re: Nose wheel tires & tubes Mark, IMHO - there would not be enough difference to worry about, and slight over inflation would probably make even more of a difference than the 4 or 6 ply. Al & Harmut If I recall correctly, based on what Aviation Consumer reported the tread life and wear of the 6 ply Goodyear Flight Custom III's tires do make enough of a difference to be worth the extra $. However given what AC, Harmut, and you had said, I'll give 4 ply Desser retreads a try next time and see how they compare to the wear and performance I've gotten from the Goodyear Flight Custom III's (they've been great tires and last for years, while flying about 150 hours a year). Dan N3968H Based @ CNO in SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: [ercoupe-tech] Re: Nose wheel tires & tubes > There is one more point that was pointed out to me by my FAA guy. It > is that not only are the 6 plys heaver, they are stiffer and transmit > more landing force to the landing and then to the wing. I don't think > that he was wrong? what do you think? makes sence to me. Mark > > > --- In [email protected], "AJ DeMarzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Dan; >> >> A little something about the 6 ply tire vs. the 4 ply tire you may > find interesting. I'm sharing this because I went from a 6 ply back > to the 4 ply on my Bonanza and will do it when the tire is worn on > the Coupe. This was based upon a discussion on the Bonanza list > which although highly reliable, gave me the incentive to do the > research and comparisons myself. >> >> Weight, weight, weight. Although it may only be a around a pound, > every extra ounce on a flying machine counts, especially on the > Ercoupe. Given the station that the extra weight is placed, I wonder > how much it changes the flight characteristics. The Ercoupe's nose > and load is well within the limits of weight that a 4 ply is designed > for. Do you really get any more wear from a 6 ply? There's no > additional tread depth! If there was any money saved, it was minimal. >> >> We'll not go into some of the crazy things like the a/c being > certificated with a 4 ply and not a 6, I don't know if that matters. >> >> Not a disagreement, just some food for thought. It's worth what > you paid for it. >> >> Al DeMarzo >> DON'T BUZZ OFF! >> Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page >> Free, Easy and No Membership Required >> http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dan Hall >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Nose wheel tires & tubes >> >> >> >> Hi Lynn, >> I've ordered two (single fork) nose wheel tires from Desser over > the past 10 years, and based on my experience they seem to have the > best pricing & availability, and reasonable service. >> >> For the MAIN gear tires I've used; >> 1) Goodyear Flight Custom III 6 ply tire and have had outstanding > service from them. >> 2) The other alternative I would consider are the Desser Monster > Retreads. >> >> Aviation Consumer rated both tire types very highly, called the > retread a best value, and said that there is no evidence to suggest > that the retreads and any less reliable then new tires. >> >> 6 ply tires are heavier & more expensive however; they also wear > longer and can take a bit more abuse. Pick your poison. >> >> Dan Hall >> N3968H >> @ CNO in SoCal >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: AJ DeMarzo >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Nose wheel tires & tubes >> >> >> Desser's website has loads of information about tires and their > care. Did you know that you really don't have to change a tire due > to cracks? That's what the tire guys say! Read it yourself! >> >> Recaps are fine alternatives. Before going that route, I would > check and compare weights. Every pound counts, especially on an > Ercoupe. >> >> Since my project is not yet ready to fly, I'm not bothering > about a diet. ;-) >> >> Al DeMarzo >> Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page >> Free To All, Easy To Use! >> http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Nose wheel tires & tubes >> >> >> >> Hey Dave: Desser Tire and Rubber Co. of Montebello, CA and > Memphis TN Phone 800 247 8473. >> They list a Good Year Flight Special II 500 -4 4 ply for $180 > (New) and a 500-4 6 ply (recap) for 89.95. >> They say they have many sizes of tubes but do not list the > sizes or price. Free Shipping. >> Lynn Nelsen >> Frostproof FL >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the > new year. >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > -------- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release > Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > >
