Thanks again for your thoughts on this issue, Jerry. I am hoping not
to belabor this topic, but my DPE specializes in Sport Pilot
training. The following is a copy of an email exchange between him
and the FAA Sport Pilot Branch manager with regard to how the
Ercoupe restriction is removed (I am not sure were the "415B"
reference comes from):
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jon Thornburgh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Ercoupe Limitation
QUESTION: Regarding my question about the removal of the "Ercoupe
415B Without Rudder Pedals" limitation on a private pilot
certificate, I was wondering what area of operations and tasks and
certification procedures must be accomplished to get the limitation
removed. I'm suspecting that just a shorten practical test to a DPE
of those tasks requiring the use of rudders (forward slip and cross
wind takeoff/landing) would be sufficient to get the limitation
removed. As far as required documentation, I suspect a fully
endorsed and completed FAA Form 8710 application would be
satisfactory. However, I don't see any specific reference in the
Pilot Examiner's Handbook (8710.3D) regarding this procedure, so I
wanted to check with you to be sure I did it correctly.
ANSWER: Ref. § 61.45(b)(2); § 61.63(c); and FAA Order 8700.1, Volume
2, page 27-2, paragraph 3.I.(2)(a); and the Private Pilot Airplane
(Single Engine Land) PTS, FAA-S-8081-14A; There is no specific
guidance in FAA Order 8700.1 or in FAA Order 8710.3D that addresses
the procedures, area of operations, and tasks that must be
accomplished to get the "Ercoupe 415B Without Rudder Pedals"
limitation removed. Therefore, in reviewing the Private Pilot
Airplane PTS, the applicant would be required to accomplish the
following procedures, area of operations, and tasks to get
the "Ercoupe 415B Without Rudder Pedals" limitation removed:
As per § 61.39(a)(7), must have completed and signed FAA Form
8710-1 application.
As per § 61.63(c)
Must have an endorsement in his or her logbook or training
record from an authorized instructor and that endorsement must
attest that the applicant has been found competent in the
aeronautical knowledge areas appropriate to the pilot certificate
for the aircraft class rating sought. Those aeronautical knowledge
areas at the private pilot certification level would be: Safe and
efficient operation of aircraft; Principles of aerodynamics; and
Stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery techniques.
Must have an endorsement in his or her logbook or training
record from an authorized instructor, and that endorsement must
attest that the applicant has been found proficient in the areas of
operation appropriate to the pilot certificate for the aircraft
class rating sought. Those areas of operation at the private pilot
certification level would be: Preflight procedures; Airport and
seaplane base operations; Takeoffs, landings, and go-arounds;
Performance maneuvers; Ground reference maneuvers; Slow flight and
stalls; Basic instrument maneuvers; and Emergency operations.
Must pass the required practical test that is appropriate to
the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; As per
the Private Pilot Airplane (Single Engine Land) PTS, FAA-S-8081-14A,
the following areas of operations and tasks must be accomplished on
the practical test--
II. Preflight Procedures
A. Preflight Inspection (ASEL and ASES)
D. Taxiing (ASEL)
F. Before Takeoff Check (ASEL and ASES)
III. Airport and Seaplane Base Operations
B. Traffic Patterns (ASEL and ASES)
IV. Takeoffs, Landings, and Go-Arounds
A. Normal and Crosswind Takeoff and Climb (ASEL and ASES)
B. Normal and Crosswind Approach and Landing (ASEL and ASES)
C. Soft-Field Takeoff and Climb (ASEL)
D. Soft-Field Approach and Landing (ASEL)
E. Short-Field Takeoff and Maximum Performance Climb (ASEL
and
ASES)
F. Short-Field Approach and Landing (ASEL and ASES)
L. Go-Around/Rejected Landing (ASEL and ASES)
V. Performance Maneuver
Steep Turns (ASEL and ASES).
VI. Ground Reference Maneuvers
A. Rectangular Course (ASEL and ASES)
B. S-Turns (ASEL and ASES)
C. Turns Around a Point (ASEL and ASES)
IX. Basic Instrument Maneuvers
A. Straight-And-Level Flight (ASEL and ASES).
B. Constant Airspeed Climbs (ASEL and ASES)
C. Constant Airspeed Descents (ASEL and ASES)
D. Turns To Headings (ASEL and ASES)
E. Recovery From Unusual Flight Attitudes (ASEL and ASES)
X. Emergency Operations.
A. Emergency Approach and Landing (Simulated) (ASEL and
ASES).
Larry W. Clymer
Aviation Safety Inspector (Operations)
Manager, Light-Sport Aviation Branch AFS-610
Ph: 405-954-6399
--- In [email protected], "Jerry Eichenberger"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is NOT the product of any research, only my personal opinion.
>
> Because sport pilot certificates, unlike private, commercial, ATP
and CFI
> certificates have no ratings, that's why there is no limitation.
>
> As previously said, it's because of the way SP works. It takes a
period of
> training and a second CFI ride, and filling out and filing an 8110
to get
> privileges in other classes of aircraft (such as sea plane, powered
> parachute, lighter than air, glider, etc) than the one in which
the SP
> originally trained and passed his flight test.
>
> Jerry E.
