Agreed. I will amend myself again. I am against making long messages impossible. But I support making them ugly or discouraging them in another way :-)
Ethan On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Sig Rinde <[email protected]> wrote: > As outsider: > > For work purposes it makes sense as Ethan says to not have limit. > > But I do agree with Anne that short looks better, gives more info per > square foot interface... but, actually, I really believe that it will > sort itself out as long and windy messages will look, eh, long and > windy and certainly not cool - it's called peer pressure :) So soon > you'll find all going short despite freedom to occasionally going > long. > > (and with twitter many will be used to stay short already) > > <end of long and windy message> > > > > On 6 April 2010 22:52, Anne Kathrine Petterøe <[email protected]> wrote: >> Nope and nope (yet). >> >> Right now we don't have a fixed length to our messages, which I was never a >> big fan of. From a UI developer perspective it is a bit difficult to make it >> nice looking when you don't know if what comes has 140 characters or 1400. >> >> >> On 6. apr. 2010, at 22.41, Sig Rinde wrote: >> >>> Do you have countdown from 140 as well? >>> And url shortening? >>> Two very nice twitter features that.. >>> >>> Would definitely not be cool to manually count the chars :) >>> >>> >>> On 6 April 2010 22:29, Ethan Jewett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Thanks for doing this! I guess I'd leave it open until we have a more >>>> permanent fix, but maybe lower the "badness" of the issue and make a >>>> note of why that is happening? >>>> >>>> I'm actually starting to think that the best way to do this is to have >>>> the javascript that populates the message text that is being replied >>>> to truncate that text to 140 characters (or something). The user just >>>> needs a sample and JS has easy functions for doing this. Hmmm. Maybe >>>> tonight. >>>> >>>> What do you think? Do we want truncation or stretching as our final >>>> fix for this issue? >>>> >>>> Ethan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> If we encourage our users not to use more than 140 characters (which I >>>>> always thought we should) - we are now safe. Shall I leave the ticket >>>>> open as this is a bit of a quick fix, seeing we haven't imposed any >>>>> limits for how long the messages can be. (yet) >>>>> >>>>> /Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4. apr. 2010, at 01.44, Ethan Jewett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I already opened ESME-188 for this issue (the input area expanding) - >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ESME-188 >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think we need to move anything. Instead, we either need to >>>>>> restrict the total length of the "reply to" section to only display >>>>>> part of the message being replied to, or we need to make the input >>>>>> area background expand dynamically to accomodate varied message >>>>>> lengths. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ethan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> I'll take a look at it tomorrow. >>>>>>> We could also make the update box background a bit longer too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3. apr. 2010, at 18.57, Richard Hirsch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe it was some other tool. Smaller font and other color (grey?) >>>>>>>> might be >>>>>>>> one option >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will take a look at it during tomorrow's daily UI hour, but smaller >>>>>>>>> font >>>>>>>>> might be one solution. >>>>>>>>> twitter doesn't display the "reply to:" at all and brizzly displays an >>>>>>>>> reply to box inline. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3. apr. 2010, at 18.52, Richard Hirsch wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> let's look at how twitter / brizzly do it. They use a smaller font. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I like it :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now sort of unrelated. >>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to move the "reply to" function, as it currently is >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> pushes the Share with and Update button out of the "what are you >>>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>> on" >>>>>>>>>>> box. Where should we move it to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2. apr. 2010, at 01.33, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Author: esjewett >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu Apr 1 23:33:10 2010 >>>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 930136 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=930136&view=rev >>>>>>>>>>>> Log: >>>>>>>>>>>> [ESME-187] Re-arrange input area so that the flow is a little >>>>>>>>>>>> better - >>>>>>>>>>> this is a bit of an experiment - feel free to back out >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: >>>>>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: >>>>>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css >>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css?rev=930136&r1=930135&r2=930136&view=diff >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ============================================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>> --- incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css >>>>>>>>>>> (original) >>>>>>>>>>>> +++ incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css >>>>>>>>>>>> Thu Apr >>>>>>>>>>> 1 23:33:10 2010 >>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -192,10 +192,15 @@ label { >>>>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>>>> .login-btn, .update-btn, .submit-btn { >>>>>>>>>>>> float:right; >>>>>>>>>>>> -} >>>>>>>>>>>> +} >>>>>>>>>>>> +.share-select { >>>>>>>>>>>> + float:left; >>>>>>>>>>>> +} >>>>>>>>>>>> .update-btn { >>>>>>>>>>>> - margin-top:20px; >>>>>>>>>>>> - padding-top:10px; >>>>>>>>>>>> + margin-right:40px; >>>>>>>>>>>> +} >>>>>>>>>>>> +.update-btn, .share-select { >>>>>>>>>>>> + margin-top:10px; >>>>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>>>> #form-update label { >>>>>>>>>>>> font-weight:bold; >>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -216,7 +221,7 @@ textarea.inputBox2 { >>>>>>>>>>>> float:left; >>>>>>>>>>>> background-color:#FFFFFF !important; >>>>>>>>>>>> border:1px solid #a7aaad; >>>>>>>>>>>> - width:440px; >>>>>>>>>>>> + width:95%; >>>>>>>>>>>> height:50px; >>>>>>>>>>>> padding:4px; >>>>>>>>>>>> margin-right:10px;color:#000; >>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -532,7 +537,7 @@ h5 { font-size: 100%; } >>>>>>>>>>>> h6 { font-size: 80%; } >>>>>>>>>>>> img, img a {border:0px; } >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -.clear {clear:both; height:20px; } >>>>>>>>>>>> +.clear {clear:both;} >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> /* >>>>>>>>>>>> .container-update, .container-tabs, .container-settings {behavior: >>>>>>>>>>> url("src/iepngfix.htc");} >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html >>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html?rev=930136&r1=930135&r2=930136&view=diff >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ============================================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html >>>>>>>>>>> (original) >>>>>>>>>>>> +++ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html >>>>>>>>>>> Thu Apr 1 23:33:10 2010 >>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -26,29 +26,30 @@ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_request</lift:loc> >>>>>>>>>>>> </h3> >>>>>>>>>>>> <div id="form-update"> >>>>>>>>>>>> - <div id="messages"></div> >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>> - <div class="post-form-row"> >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> <label><lift:loc>ui_messages_share</lift:loc></label> >>>>>>>>>>>> - <select id="vPool" >>>>>>>>>>> class="inputBox2"> >>>>>>>>>>>> - <option >>>>>>>>> value="0"> >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_pool_public</lift:loc> >>>>>>>>>>>> - </option> >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:UserSnip.accessPools/> >>>>>>>>>>>> - </select> >>>>>>>>>>>> - </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> - <div class="row clear" >>>>>>>>>>> style="display: none" id="reply-to-div"> >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> <b><lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_reply</lift:loc></b> >>>>>>>>>>>> - <span >>>>>>>>>>> id="reply-to-span">-</span> >>>>>>>>>>>> - <a href="javascript: >>>>>>>>>>> clearReplyTo()"> >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_remove_reply</lift:loc> >>>>>>>>>>>> - </a> >>>>>>>>>>>> - </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <div id="messages"></div> >>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="post-form-row"> >>>>>>>>>>>> <textarea >>>>>>>>> class="inputBox2" >>>>>>>>>>> id="vMsg" rows="5" cols="80%"></textarea> >>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="row clear" >>>>>>>>>>> style="display: none"> >>>>>>>>>>>> <input >>>>>>>>>>>> id="vTag" >>>>>>>>>>> style="width: 90%"/> >>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> + </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <div class="row clear" >>>>>>>>>>> style="display: none" id="reply-to-div"> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>> <b><lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_reply</lift:loc></b> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <span id="reply-to-span">-</span> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <a href="javascript: clearReplyTo()"> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_remove_reply</lift:loc> >>>>>>>>>>>> + </a> >>>>>>>>>>>> + </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <div class="post-form-row"> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <div >>>>>>>>> class="share-select"> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>> <label><lift:loc>ui_messages_share</lift:loc></label> >>>>>>>>>>>> + <select >>>>>>>>> id="vPool" >>>>>>>>>>> class="inputBox2"> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>>> <option >>>>>>>>>>> value="0"> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_pool_public</lift:loc> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>>> </option> >>>>>>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>>>>> <lift:UserSnip.accessPools/> >>>>>>>>>>>> + </select> >>>>>>>>>>>> + </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> <div >>>>>>>>>>>> class="update-btn"> >>>>>>>>>>>> <input >>>>>>>>> type="image" >>>>>>>>>>> onclick="javascript:post_msg();" src="images/btn-update.gif" /> >>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >
