3 points: 1. here is a good test for testing if a recording is mp3 source: http://www.faust.ab.ca/~trading/mp3bad.htm. i've used it and it has performed very reliably for me.
2. if you really, really, really, (and I mean really care) about lineage and taping rigs, then never do a trade with someone who doesn't have that info posted, ask them to email you the md5's, and check them against the etree database. if they are not in the database, or they do not match, don't trade for it. seems fairly simple. 3. the quality topic isn't even worth discussing. you win some, you lose some...but never forget, the music was (pretty much) free so just don't trade with the guy ever again whose ratings are wacked... thx. g WOB: B&P for a couple of people for 1 show off my list: http://colonel32.dyndns.org/index.php?page_name=trading -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Silverman Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 3:42 PM To: Mike Plantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [etrade] Concern over lineage You do have a point, Mike. But, the point brought up by the original question...wondering how important knowing the rig info is...is equally important, if not downright disturbing (to me, anyway). You said "i've also noticed that a good number of these people who have become involved in trading by means outside etree often have little understanding (or regard in some cases) for documenting and preserving digital music lineage." I, like Jim Morrison (we're allowed to joke about non-taper friendly bands, right ?), put forth a proposition: "I've noticed that a good number of people who have become involved in trading through etree may understand how to document and preserve digital music lineage, but don't pay as much attention to the quality of the original recording". In other words, people are putting effort into archiving and spreading some recordings that sound like ASS. A bit-perfect copy of a shitty recording isn't gonna make that recording any better. In some ways, I think people "hide behind" shns..."hey, it has been shn'ed. It must be good" Yeah, sure, blanks are cheap, and that is a nice way to justify responding to every B&P offer that you can. Maybe most of you aren't as picky as I am, but to me, it is frustrating to see a band/show offered on the list, reply to that B&P and wait for your mailer to get back, only to get a recording that is less than optimal and that I may never listen to. One man's "A+" recording is another's "C" (Hunter was right...one man gathers what another man spills), and there is no way to objectively grade a particular recording. But, if I know what kind of rig was used and/or who the taper was, I may be able to get an idea of what to expect. I, for one, would love to see people put as much effort into keeping track of the rig/source information as they do into keeping track of the md5's and whether there was a DAE generation. Wherever he goes, the people all complain... Rama wob...I have this recording...it was made on a sony stereo mic and minidisc which I set up right on the back bar (don't worry...you can barely hear the bartender over the clinking of bottles...and you can only hear my lighter when I used it to light up my rig for the 74 minute disc flip)...but, hey, it's shn'ed ;-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Plantz Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [etrade] Concern over lineage As digital music trading becomes more and more accessible (as it should) and the popularity of bands that allow taping continues to increase, i've noticed that it's becoming much easier for people to share the music that etree has tried to propagate. being in a college scene, i've been able to see the availability of shows grow from a handful of people (mainly etree subscribers) to a great deal of people sharing these same shows. however, i've also noticed that a good number of these people who have become involved in trading by means outside etree often have little understanding (or regard in some cases) for documenting and preserving digital music lineage. I'll be the first to admit, 80% of the time i cannot tell a difference in quality between a song/show ripped from mp3 and one converted from SHN (no offense to audiophiles graced with spectacular audibility). however, i do have respect for the long-term preservation that SHN affords. most casual listeners outside etree (and other quality tree/vine/trading circles and sites) are simply happy to get their hands on a show, and it's hard to explain the importance of trading music by a loss-less compression when (to most people) mp3 sounds perfectly loss-less to most listeners. even on etree, i have made several snail mail trades and b&ps where the person i was trading with failed to include a text file or account for the shows lineage - great for me to listen to in the privacy of my own home/car, but completely useless to trade. my question to the list is this - as etree continues to grow, the possibility of new subscribers entering the list with a previous stockpile of shows burned outside the shn/dao/etc. method also grows. does etree "management" and it's list subscribers have any ideas on how to keep clean the lineage that etree has worked so hard to preserve? mike WOB:email me off list to set something up if you feel this is a huge wob...cannot offer up a standard wob since i am sans burner for a few weeks SORRY ABOUT THE CROSS-POST! _______________________________________________ etree.org etrade mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe go to: http://mail.etree.org/mailman/listinfo/etrade Need help? 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