That make sense. However, I find it hard to believe there isn't a better solution. It may be a style compromise, but surely a pillar moved a bit further back could have equal support and improved visibility. I think there needs to be a push to get auto makers to find a better solution. Good engineers and designers can handle this.
In other words, providing more safety for the occupants in exchange for less safety for oncoming traffic or peds is not a good exchange. Peri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Wujek Sent: 13 December, 2013 7:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] nissan leaf visibility issues This is a problem with a lot of new cars because the rollover protection has had to be beefed up over time, which means that the pillars have all had to be made larger and more robust. This has nothing to do with whether it is an EV or not. On 13-12-13 01:49 PM, Peri Hartman wrote: > It's not a matter of taking the trouble to look sooner. In order to see the > crosswalk from this particular approach, I need to lean to the right (driver > sits on the left) to roughly the center of the vehicle in order to see > around the pillar. That is sometimes awkward to do while negotiating > traffic and obstructions. > > I believe you also have Leaf? Have you not observed this when turning > right? The pillar is substantially larger than on other cars. All cars > have this problem to some degree, but I've never seen anything as extreme as > with the Leaf. > > I doubt there's much Nissan can do to fix existing Leafs. But over the last > few years, they could address the design for new models. > > Peri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Martin WINLOW > Sent: 13 December, 2013 10:09 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] nissan leaf visibility issues > > Dear Peri, > > I am assuming this pedestrian was not beamed down onto the crossing and > that, had you taken the trouble to look sooner, you might have seen them on > the pavement about to step onto the crossing and adjusted your progress or > made use of your horn if already too close as appropriate. 'Vision up!' as > we in the driving game say here in the UK. > > On your second point, I'm not quite sure what you expect Nissan to do about > you problems. They an't exactly recall all their Leafs and move the > pillars. > > MW > > > > On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:39, Peri Hartman wrote: > >> If you are considering a Leaf, be forewarned that the frontal visibility > is >> poor. Today, probably for the third time, I came close to hitting a >> pedestrian while turning left. My wife has had similar occurrences. >> Somehow, the design of the front pillars obstructs an entire crosswalk > while >> turning left. >> >> Normally, I lean over to the right to get a second look, but I didn't this >> time and -sure enough - a ped was in the crosswalk. Fortunately, as I >> progressed through the turn, he became visible - directly in my path. >> >> This is a serious problem with Nissan seems uninterested in addressing. >> >> Peri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- *Paul Wujek* <[email protected]> about <http://goo.gl/3jnMdX> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20131213/2a4243cf /attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
