Nope... it is as I thought (from the Renault web site... http://www.renault.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/zoe/zoe/zecharging/plugsandsockets/index.jsp )...
"The 3-Pin domestic plug tends to charge vehicles in over 10 hours, but this method is not supported on the ZOE." Daft! MW On 8 Feb 2014, at 11:58, matt lacey wrote: > not being able to charge from a normal power point just means a portable EVSE > isn't supplied. > > there's nothing stopping you from buying one separately > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin WINLOW" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: £15k She's electric and has real girl power, Zoe > date > > > Hi David, > > Yes, it is a nice looking car... modern but not so whacky that its design > would put people off. I have had a close look at one in a dealer and even > got them to work out an HP deal but the battery lease thing is a real deal > breaker for me. I am not (and never have been) one to buy a new car, keep it > for a few years and then trade it in for a new one. I guess this paradigm > must suit lots of other people though as it appears it is this has made the > world's motor industry the colossus that it is. > > I think they did it this way to be able to get some insurance on their > batteries in case they don't last as long as their engineers are saying they > will. Understandable, I suppose. > > The Zoe has a fabulously practical boot area (particularly so with the back > seats down) - very capacious and lots of electric do-dads to keep the geek in > us all happy. It felt a bit more solid than my Ion (i-Miev) does but not so > compared with the Leaf (typically for a Renault Vs a modern Nissan). > > One thing the article at the start of this thread brought to my attention > that I had not realised before is that you can't charge the Zoe from a > standard household socket - even our 230/240V ones. This is a pretty serious > flaw, IMO. Whilst there are lots of public chargers out there (in the > cities, at least) the prospect that if you want to drive to a friend/relative > for a visit, particularly overnight, that they'll have to have a proper EVSE > installed for you to get any charge whilst you are there is a very > short-sighted view point. > > And it looks like car buyers agree as their sales have not been spectacular. > Renault have already brought in a new lower battery rental rate for very low > mileage users - £50/month for annual mileage of about 4k, IIRC (nothing about > this on their official site yet). The question of what you do if you wan to > sell privately is a difficult one. Looking at thei s thread... > http://myrenaultzoe.com/index.php/topic/battery-lease-end-of-lease-term/ ... > it seems to me that it would be nigh-on impossible to sell a used ZE vehicle > privately so you are a bit stuck with Renault once you take the plunge... for > life! > > Renault either need to offer a battery lease-free option or cap the battery > lease to 4 years or so if they are to make a success of it. They'll have to > do *something* though because their future is riding on the ZE range. With > the Fluence already gone, they really need to pull something game-changing > out of the bag... and soon. > > MW > > > On 8 Feb 2014, at 06:19, EVDL Administrator wrote: > >> The Zoe looks like a really nice EV. Pity they've burdened her with a >> "battering battery." Forget to pay your battery lease bill and Renault will >> remotely make it impossible to charge the battery. >> >> I've long been a proponent of battery leasing for EVs. I've seen enough "EV >> for sale, needs batteries" ads to realize that anything that insulates an EV >> owner from battery replacement sticker shock is probably a good thing. >> >> However, I don't think this is the right way to go about it. >> >> I suppose I'm just a crank : I no longer use certain famous computer >> operating systems because they make me agree to let the OS's authors change >> whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever I am. I prefer an OS I'm >> in full control of. Same with my EV. >> >> If the Renault battery leasing scheme works for you, great. But if I were >> living in Europe, this "we don't trust you, so we're building coercion into >> the car" approach would be an excellent reason for me to buy a Mitsu or >> Nissan EV instead. >> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >> EVDL Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
