Hi Rick, Thanks for taking the trouble to type all that. Interestingly, what I get from it is your essay is that it is as good a pitch for making your own EV that I have ever heard!
The fundamental problem with your history of 'electric' cars is that until the ED you were driving hybrids. I know that for many people, owning one, relatively short range, car is just not workable but you have been completely relying on the motor industry to come up with something that works for you *and* them... and they just aren't interested in upsetting their cash cow ie the ICE. If you 'roll your own' you can make it do what you want. If you are a true EVer - and there are many reasons why you might want to be one (I suffer from them all; engineering efficiency, two fingers to Big Oil, improving international security, saving our armed forces from unnecessary wars (and our economies from the cost), a peaceful driving experience, reducing my driving costs, improving the local environment and, yes, 'saving the planet' - yay!) - driving a hybrid just isn't good enough. Sure, I have suffered for my 'art'! I can understand that others might not want to, especially if you have others still who rely on you for reliable transport ie kids etc. I am glad the ED is so cheap for you in the US. In Europe it is completely the opposite and despite contacting 3 Smart dealers recently when I was considering buying one, I got absolutely no-where. Utterly dismal - hence why I currently drive an i-miev. Regards, MW. On 10 Feb 2014, at 15:23, Rick Beebe wrote: > On 02/08/2014 04:35 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> Yes, it is a nice looking car... modern but not so whacky that its >> design would put people off. I have had a close look at one in a >> dealer and even got them to work out an HP deal but the battery lease >> thing is a real deal breaker for me. I am not (and never have been) >> one to buy a new car, keep it for a few years and then trade it in >> for a new one. I guess this paradigm must suit lots of other people >> though as it appears it is this has made the world's motor industry >> the colossus that it is. > > I just picked up a Smart ED (Electric Drive) and elected to use their > "Battery Assurance" plan. Basically, I'm renting the battery for $80/mo. > I'm not particularly paranoid about batteries but this really does > remove all the worry. Any problems for the next 10 years and they fix or > replace the battery. The only odd thing is having to send 2 checks every > month. One for the car and one for the battery. > > As for holding cars for a long time...after a series of amazingly > inexpensive and tragically unreliable used cars I finally got a real job > and bought my first new car. I kept it for 12 years, the next one for 10 > and then 10 for the next. > > But I find a different trend has developed. In 2006 I bought a Mercury > Mariner (aka Ford Escape) hybrid. It was their first crack at a hybrid > and it was barely one. I think they were nervous about creating a > different driver experience. It got okay gas mileage but it was hard > getting it in EV mode. Its biggest advantage was shutting off the engine > at stop lights. Four years go by and Ford has made substantial > improvements to the 'hybridness' of the Escape. AND Navtek has stopped > releasing map updates to the nav system in the one we have. AND the > Mariner really held its value. So we traded it in on a 2010 Ford Escape > hybrid. > > It was a much better hybrid. It fought hard to go electric and stay > electric at any speed under 48mph. I got an extra hundred miles out of > every tank of gas. The Nav system was much improved too and the vehicle > was more comfortable. Even so, I still cringed every time gas poked over > $4/gal. > > Three years go by and now I'm also strongly bit by the EV bug. I have > 9.3kw of solar panels on the roof. I go to EAA meetings and get rides in > EVs. I bought a Miata to convert to an EV (hasn't happened yet). Ford > finally releases a long-promised plug-in hybrid, the C-Max Energi. They > also have their Fusion EV but range anxiety and price keeps it off my > list. So last March I traded the Escape for an Energi. > > The car is great. 25 miles of electric range (my daily commute is 17) at > up to 80mph. No range anxiety. 41mpg when the gas engine finally does > come on. But I've also noticed my trend. While I generally want to keep > cars for a long time, technology is changing so fast--in ways I > like--that I can see that 3 year ownership is where I am right now. So > for the first time in my life I leased a car. 39 months. It was more > than $100/mo less than if I'd bought it so cash flow is improved. And > maybe the 2016 Energi will go 50 miles on a charge and massage my back > when I drive. (In a step backwards, the nav system sucks.) > > Winter is here and the EV range on the Energi is now about 11 miles > instead of 25. And the car insists on running the gas engine to warm > things up. All understandable but I'm burning gas every day and it > annoys me. I went to a meeting of the Westport Electric Car Club held at > the local Smart dealer. I found out they're practically giving away the > Smarts. A 3 year lease was $17/mo. Plus $80 for the battery and a couple > for tax worked out to $99/mo. Winter range is 45 miles, summer should be > around 70. Plenty for me and no gas no matter how cold it is. And it's a > fun little car to drive. So now I've leased my second car. It's also the > only time in my life I've had two new cars in my driveway. > > So like computers and phones going obsolete every couple of years I see > the same thing happening with modern cars. The Energi has been reliable > to drive but it has gone back to the dealer twice for software upgrades > (and I've done a couple myself). What happens when the manufacturer > stops supporting the code? And I think things are evolving fast enough > in the electric car world that I can't see buying an EV now and hoping > to keep it for 10 or more years. Although maybe I would if I was renting > the battery, like on the Smart. > > --Rick > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
