Yes, this will be interesting, even if it is a hybrid, but I doubt it will be "perfect" from first model, as the teslas almost seems to be, I am deeply impressed by tesla and the reach of their 2:nd goal,(model S/X)
Regarding "Hybrid", actualy a good range extender is what most need,(here) so I dont se the point of refuse that, In your case, is it based on bad experiences in the past with ICE? or an "I hate big oil"-mindset :-) or the costs?, or trying to find optimum resources usage? Recourses. I really dont like the idea of having every new car to consume maybe 5-10x or more battery materials than actually needed for our driving And with maybe 70 million new cars every year(?) it just seems "not ok" at all to do it like that. And massive EV "miles" at larger scale will probably not happen if a few burn the resources and money for no good real reason, when using a small diesel ICE as paralell hybrid range extender(no gearbox) it adds maybe 500-1000 usd to the production cost and some weight, but still it is less weight than a larger battery would need to make it usefull for longer trips. About 400-450 km battpack(snow-driving) would be needed by me for some work-trips (still with 1 stop to recharge needed for some towns) and imagine if almost all the cars on that road have to stop there in the middle to recharge) That size will bee a *very* heavy and expensive battpack to haul around in the normal *local* day to day driving. Compare that big pack to a small 20kW Diesel, I find a consumption of about 2.5-3 Liter / 100km Biodiesel would be acceptable for a station wagon like Volvo V70 at long trips. No need for oversizing it to get extra acceleration power from the ICE, so I only need just about the low power for a flat highway driving. All other normal local driving will be at battery only, like a BEV. Dream scenario: I would like to be able to easy detatch the dieselengine when I dont need it for some time. :-) That paralell setup would be a lot better for me and people like me when we go for work in another more distant town or so, compared to have an large heavy upsized vehickle as a daily local drive that would be a lot more resource hungry to start with and a higher energy usage in total, +maybe 2x the production cost(?) /John ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:03:12 +0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EVDL] SAAB Returns From the Dead - Now an Full EV? > > " they have some company strategy of "not talk much"" - That'll be the > Chinese input then! > > If they are really going to bring something out in Spring, I suppose we > should be anticipating some news very soon... I have to confess to being a > bit excited! (but I still bet it's a hybrid). > > Like you I too plan to never buy an ICEV again - but, for me, that will rule > out hybrids as well. > > MW > > > On 25 Feb 2014, at 12:32, Hoegberg wrote: > >> Yes, very interesting, I have owned several SAABs and I also really like >> them and I also consider buying a new one if electric, I decided 10 years >> ago to never buy a new fossil fueled car again.. >> >> So I have been waiting, and waiting.. >> The "1-litre" Demo-car almost got me to rethinkthis! as it would have made >> global use of bio-diesel possible! But then they did not go on and actually >> produce it when I wanted it, so I had to wait another decade. ..Again.. >> >> >> SAAB, yes we will se how this goes on, they have some company strategy of >> "not talk much" before they can actually sell/produce stuff. I really hope >> they are not to late in to the game now. But Besides beeing a half-Swedish >> company :-) they have an other advantage over some others, they have the >> Battery production unit. So they dont have to pay a full market price. If >> you want to see it that way. >> >> >> Plugin/BEV >> Here in Sweden the distances are long and a plugin version is probably what >> most need, so even if many trips is just 15-80 km each day, some are not.. >> >> But you can always have 2 cars and use the older almost free/cheap fossil >> one for that 1 day (or less) in a week that you need to do something unusual. >> >> But the taxes is high on diesel cars, so therefore BEV is not a perfect >> solution. >> >> >> /John >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:35:29 +0000 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [EVDL] SAAB Returns From the Dead - Now an Full EV? >>> >>> I don't remember hearing about this on the list and I received some news >>> about it this morning that has prompted me to pen this message... >>> >>> Of particular interest to EU (and Chinese, apparently) readers, SAAB (cars, >>> as opposed to the military aircraft arm) went bust a couple of years ago >>> after being bought by GM (enough said!). It was finally bought by a >>> Swedish/Chinese company called National Electric Vehicle Sweden (NEVS). >>> >>> Old news, I know, but what is new(ish) news is that their first new SAAB >>> (albeit still fossil fuelled) came off the production line in Trollhattan >>> in December and NEVS are saying the first all-electric one will be >>> available by spring... Absolutely nothing on their website about specs etc >>> so it'll probably be a hybrid after all the hoop-la. >>> >>> I have always been a fan of the brand and owned one for a few years (a 9-3 >>> turbo soft-top). I would seriously consider an all-EV one should they ever >>> sell one, sell it in RHD, of course and if it was compatible with a Model S >>> in terms of practicality - specifically 1/ range and 2/ fast-charge capable. >>> >>> More here... >>> http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/381379-saab-production-restarts-in-sweden/ >>> >>> .... and here ... http://www.saabcars.com >>> >>> MW >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140226/12f1183d/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
