On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> (*) My ICE minivan purportedly gets 25mph.  But in the city, with stop and 
> go, it's about 12mpg.

My 1968 VW Westfalia does a lot better than 12 MPG even in the city....

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