Then again you could purchase a second hand Volt/Ampera and drive electric for
95% of the time with a four cylinder ICE for longer journeys.Very cost
effective now they are being released from business leases and I haven't
fuelled mine for over two months.
From: Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2015, 17:02
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's
the battery.
I think the main point of the article is that most families that can't
afford (or can't have for other reasons) two cars will continue to chose
and ICE car over an EV. This is purportedly because, even though the EV
will accomodate 80-90% of their driving needs, that other 10% is too
much of a hurdle. That is, they don't consider renting an ICE car for
that other 10% to be a viable option. You can agree or disagree but
until there are more EVs that are "affordable" and can go 200+ miles on
a charge, he's claiming "it's the battery, stupid".
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 19-May-15 8:31:52 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales
Better? It's the battery.
>> How trite!... Also, completely wrong.
>> The current battery is what makes electric cars viable...
>http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=3710&doc_id=277584
>
>Here is my response to this stupid article:
>
>The basis of your uninformed claim "Yes, Electric Cars Still Need an
>Innovative Battery" is your century and 3 generation old legacy of
>gas-tank/gas-station narrow minded thinking.
>
>Authors who write about EV's with that legacy are blind to the value of
>EV's. Yes, EV's do not meet ALL of the versatility of the gas car, but
>they DO meet (and far exceed by a factor of three or more) the value of
>local travel and commuting which is over 80% of our national vehicle
>transportation (and emissions)!
>
>Why are you so dead set against the 80% solution (which every EV owner
>will tell you gives them 100% satisfaction and in fact saves them
>3:to:1
>on operating costs. And costs LESS than the average Gas car?
>
>You are quoting 2008 technology, and market, and thinking. Sure in
>2010,
>the first EV's cost more than comparable gas cars. But by 2013 with 15
>EV's on the market and the $5k price drop by Nissan and GM, the average
>cost* of an EV broke even with the average costs of all gas cars sold
>in
>America ($31k). By 2015, the average price* of all EV's ($29k) is now
>$3k LESS than the average gas car and if you ignore the Luxury Tesla,
>then
>the average EV cost* ($26k) is now $5k less than the average gas car?
>
>And by the end of 2015, there are 40 EV's on the market further
>bringing
>down that average cost (*after incentives).
>
>So where on earth can you make your outlandish (outdated
>legacy-thinking)
>claim about batteries when people who buy EV's represent the HIGHEST
>satisfied car customers and their cars fully meet their needs?
>
>What is missing is awareness and education . of which your article is
>completely misguided and fails.
>
>Please see http://aprs.org/EV-misinformation.html
>
>Sorry for the tone. But it is gas driving authors with articles like
>yours that are holding back EV sales, not the battery. The battery HAS
>SUCCEEDED in bringing us the ideal local-travel and commuter car. Let
>those that can use it buy it and get out of the way.
>
>Sorry for the tone. But rants feel good sometimes..
>
>Bob, WB4APR
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