I think the e-Bike will typically replace a comparable vehicle, what we call moped or motorized bike or scooter. In India there is a term for a whole family on such a vehicle (since it happens so often) so they call that a "circus", which it often is: 5, 6 even 7 or 8 people on the same two wheels...
Replacing the 2-stroke moped with a sturdy e-Bike that are produced by the millions over there should need no comment as to the environmental benefits. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:13 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea> weaving-recklessly the wrongwayHT delivery Very interesting. So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes. I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the information. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen <akkuju...@akkujukka.fi> wrote: > > When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike > replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted > ones. > > In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without electric > assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 other > family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as many are > switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite common. > Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use electric assisted > bicycles in there also because they wish to get around without being in need > to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's hot and humidity is high. > In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline scooter/motorcycle which also > stink and the smell is on the clothes for the rest of the day. > > Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the battery > dies. Depleted or just completely dies. > > Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or > Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes > (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted > bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty quickly > from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from bicycles and > scooters. > > China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free electricity > generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same but in China > case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the past and are going > to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I did. EVs are a > standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in many places with > electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline cars/scooters/motorcycles. > They are getting to the broader end of the hockey stick far faster than us. > > -Jukka > > > 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>: >> Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen <akkuju...@akkujukka.fi> wrote: >> > >> > I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is >> > standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a >> > single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly >> > the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? >> > >> > The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric >> > miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! >> > >> > BR, >> > Jukka >> > >> > 22.8.2015 22.19 "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> kirjoitti: >> >> Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the >> >> electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-h >> >> > olland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike >> >> > arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY >> >> > Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > [images / Port Authority Police Department >> >> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/ >> >> > img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2- >> >> > web.jpg >> >> > (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority >> >> > Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound >> >> > Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic >> >> > >> >> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/ >> >> > img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1- >> >> > web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, >> >> > going against traffic. >> >> > He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law >> >> > enforcement sources. >> >> > ] >> >> > >> >> > This was a wheely bad idea. >> >> > >> >> > A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he >> >> > zipped into the Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around >> >> > oncoming cars as he made his way across the Hudson River span, >> >> > officials said Friday. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound >> >> > lane at the Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and >> >> > was seen recklessly riding around traffic, ignoring signs and >> >> > verbal instructions to pull over, according to Port Authority spokesman >> >> > Joe Pentangelo. >> >> > >> >> > Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement >> >> > sources, was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel >> >> > and charged with criminal trespass. >> >> > >> >> > His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic >> >> > disruption, but no one was hurt, officials said. >> >> > [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushe >> >> > s-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html >> >> > Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: >> >> > Cops Aug 15, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > [image >> >> > http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg >> >> > (mugshot) >> >> > ] >> >> > >> >> > A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry >> >> > customers after being arrested by police who said he was weaving >> >> > through oncoming traffic in the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored >> >> > signs and verbal instructions to stop while making a food >> >> > delivery Friday evening on an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority >> >> > police said Saturday. >> >> > >> >> > Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal >> >> > trespass, police said. >> >> > >> >> > There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer >> >> > who could comment on the charge. >> >> > [© nydailynews.com] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-el >> >> > ectric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ >> >> > Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through >> >> > Holland Tunnel >> >> > by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric >> >> > bicycle through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic >> >> > and ignoring orders to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New >> >> > Jersey tube. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove >> >> > through the tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph >> >> > Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW PILOT. >> >> > >> >> > Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD >> >> > officers to take him into custody just inside the exit, he said. >> >> > >> >> > The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said. >> >> > [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_ >> >> > wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html >> >> > Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials >> >> > say By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order >> >> > to a Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his >> >> > electric-powered bicycle into oncoming traffic at the Holland >> >> > Tunnel before he was arrested, officials and reports said Friday. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from >> >> > Jersey City, ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday >> >> > night, according to Port Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. >> >> > >> >> > Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop >> >> > him, a source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred. >> >> > >> >> > Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port >> >> > Authority Police officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 >> >> > yards into the tube, according to the newspaper. Police deployed >> >> > a dog to sniff for explosives as a precaution after the incident. >> >> > >> >> > The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass. >> >> > [© 2015 New Jersey On-Line] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [dated] >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVL >> >> > N-NYPD-busting-and-seizing-escooters-and-ebicycles-tp4676711.htm >> >> > l >> >> > EVLN: NYPD busting and seizing escooters and ebicycles >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re- >> >> > EVLN-NYPD-busting-seizing-escooters-ebicycles-tp4676717p4676718. >> >> > html >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > For EVLN posts use: >> >> > http://evdl.org/evln/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > {brucedp.150m.com} >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > View this message in context: >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Bu- >> >> > s-e-wheely-bad-idea-weaving-recklessly-the-wrongway-HT-delivery- >> >> > tp4677238.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> >> > mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150822/3 >> b0000ed/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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