Let's do the math:
If I go to work, mostly I drive my EV truck which on the freeway uses
at least 160-200A at 120V to maintain an easy 55-60MPH so it uses about
200x120 = 24kWh for 60 miles or about 400Wh/mi

Once a week on avg I ride my e-bike to work. Now, I like to work out
to I typically ride it without motor, but let's suppose that I did ride
the same 11 miles one-way on electric power, just as when riding my truck
(not on the freeway, of course, but there is a parallel route that is
about the same distance as taking the freeway)
Then the consumption is about 300W for a speed of 20MPH so about 15Wh/mi

No matter where the power comes from, the bike uses about 1/30 the energy
that my truck uses for the same distance, so how can this be dirtier?

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-----Original Message-----
From: EV on behalf of Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sent: Sat 8/22/2015 5:35 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea> weaving-recklessly the wrongwayHT 
delivery
 
Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen <akkuju...@akkujukka.fi> wrote:
> 
> I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is 
> standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single 
> scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the 
> opposite situation in most US cities. Right?
> 
> The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric 
> miles every day. Now that's something to talk about!
> 
> BR,
> Jukka
> 
> 22.8.2015 22.19 "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> kirjoitti:
>> Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the 
>> electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089
>> > Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel
>> > against traffic
>> > BY Thomas Tracy  /  August 14, 2015
>> >
>> > [images  / Port Authority Police Department
>> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg
>> > (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when 
>> > he
>> > rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against
>> > traffic
>> >
>> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg
>> > Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic.
>> > He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement
>> > sources.
>> > ]
>> >
>> > This was a wheely bad idea.
>> >
>> > A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the
>> > Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made
>> > his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday.
>> >
>> > Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the
>> > Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly
>> > riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over,
>> > according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo.
>> >
>> > Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources,
>> > was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with
>> > criminal trespass.
>> >
>> > His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption,
>> > but no one was hurt, officials said.
>> > [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html
>> > Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops
>> > Aug 15, 2015
>> >
>> > [image
>> > http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg
>> > (mugshot)
>> > ]
>> >
>> > A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry customers after
>> > being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming traffic 
>> > in
>> > the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel.
>> >
>> > Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs and
>> > verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday evening on
>> > an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday.
>> >
>> > Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal trespass,
>> > police said.
>> >
>> > There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who could
>> > comment on the charge.
>> > [© nydailynews.com]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/
>> > Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland Tunnel
>> > by: Jerry DeMarco  August 14, 2015
>> >
>> > BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle
>> > through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring orders
>> > to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube.
>> >
>> > Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he "recklessly" drove through the
>> > tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority's Joseph Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW
>> > PILOT.
>> >
>> > Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers to take
>> > him into custody just inside the exit, he said.
>> >
>> > The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said.
>> > [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html
>> > Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say
>> > By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015
>> >
>> > NEW YORK - A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a
>> > Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered 
>> > bicycle
>> > into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested,
>> > officials and reports said Friday.
>> >
>> > Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey City,
>> > ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according to Port
>> > Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo.
>> >
>> > Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop him, a
>> > source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred.
>> >
>> > Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port Authority 
>> > Police
>> > officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 yards into the tube, 
>> > according
>> > to the newspaper. Police deployed a dog to sniff for explosives as a
>> > precaution after the incident.
>> >
>> > The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass.
>> > [© 2015 New Jersey On-Line]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [dated]
>> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-NYPD-busting-and-seizing-escooters-and-ebicycles-tp4676711.html
>> > EVLN: NYPD busting and seizing escooters and ebicycles
>> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-NYPD-busting-seizing-escooters-ebicycles-tp4676717p4676718.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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