On 6 Jun 2016 at 8:03, Roland via EV wrote:

> My first EV that I received back in 1976 and still have it today, uses
> LINE voltage to run all the control circuits.  LINE voltage is the same
> voltage as the main battery ...

> My EV control voltage was ran off a Honey Well motor generator that was power
> by the main 180 V battery.  On dash control high voltage switch allow to turn
> on the ignition/start circuits to start the motor generator.

I'm confused.  First you say your EV control is 180v, then you say you use a 
12-16v mechanical DC:DC converter for the controls.  (???)

Your EV is certainly an unusual one.  A motor-generator for DC:DC seems like 
a less efficient and more expensive solution than a presumably smaller and 
lighter electronic DC:DC.  Maybe that wasn't the case in 1976 though.

> I have replace this 12 volt control system with a Delco Inverter
> Alternator that is used on ambulances that provides both 12 to 16 V
> regulated and at the same time provide 120 volt 60 hz 5kw for my
> electric heaters, pumps, and fans. Use a 12 volt deep cycle battery
> that have run for about 10 years. 

Interesting.  I wonder if your alternator is smaller and lighter than the 
5kW household inverters I've seen.  The 2.5kW inverters I own are quite 
massive enough.

Seems to me, the downside of using an alternator would be that you'd have to 
keep your drive motor "idling" so your accessories would run while the EV is 
stopped. Mechanical conversion is apt to be less efficient than electronic 
to begin with, especially in ICE automotive gear, and wasting energy idling 
the motor would would drop the system efficiency even more.  Maybe I'm 
missing something here.

Another consideration for most hobbyists is that they won't have the spare 
room you have in that massive mid-1970s "Detroit Iron" vehicle. Their 
smaller vehicles will also weigh less to begin with, so extra weight will 
have more of an effect for them than it does for you.

Going back to the OP, Brusa has always made efficient, beautifully designed 
gear, though it tends to be complex and expensive.  Solectria claimed back 
in the 1990s that they "co-developed" with Brusa.  I don't know whether that 
makes their DC:DC converters were relatives of your Brusa, but I can tell 
you that Solectria didn't use a 12v battery with their DC:DC converters - 
they explicitly advised against adding one - and that they were indeed 
powered full time.

IMO, for most hobbyists, it makes sense to use a small (switched) DC:DC 
converter with a motorcycle battery to handle peak loads.  There isn't much 
size or weight penalty with that option.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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