I still say that the majority of American drivers who think they will never trust an autonomous vehicle will change their minds as soon as the insurance companies offer them $5 less a month on their auto insurance :) Damon
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:15:04 +0000 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless > (autonomous) Lyft platform > From: [email protected] > > The thing is Peri, > There are so many possibilities while driving how can one ever test software > enough to know > that you have covered every likely possibility. Even so, when there is a > crash and I am sitting > in the backseat letting the vehicle drive who is responsible for the damage, > injuries or possible death? > Tesla leaves the responsibility on the driver and I'm not sure it will ever > move away from that model. > > > From: Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless > (autonomous) Lyft platform > > I think the big issue will be dealing with the nature of the crashes. > While we have plenty of accidents and fatalities with human drivers > today, most of the time those humans mitigate the accident by reacting > and doing something. That probably helps, even if the result includes a > fatality (but some survivors). Putting statistics aside for a moment, > consider that you are "helpless" in an autonomous car crash. > > With autonomous vehicles, I see most failures as being catastrophic. > That is, the software will be completely unaware there is a pending > crash. Of course, it depends on the details of the situation. > Regardless, I think - if enough autonomous car deaths occur - people > will fear the prospect of a catastrophic crash more than they fear being > involved in a mitigated human-controlled crash. > > In other words, if you are a safe, alert driver, will you be > statistically more likely to die in an autonomous car crash then in one > where you are in control - or vice versa? Overall, I'm quite certain the > statistics will point to the autonomous car being safer. But maybe not > for a small percentage of truly careful drivers. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 26-Jul-16 10:57:17 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a > driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform > > >Hi Paul, > >No problem - you are free to disagree. > >I predict that within 10 years nobody wants to deal with all those > >distracted drivers who are trying to drive while also staying in > >contact with their family, answering customers and colleagues and > >keeping their Facebook status updated. (Almost) everyone will gladly > >give the challenges of navigating the road to the self-driving car in > >the same way that you hire a driver today to bring you without the > >stress and fatigue of driving yourself. > >Indeed, there will be accidents and fatalities. But face it - today > >there are plenty of those as well without the machines, simply because > >humans take a risk. Yesterday I almost crashed because someone decided > >that they should try to cross the street coming from behind a van > >blocking the view of oncoming traffic. > > > >Blinded by glaring sunlight? Indeed a cause of many crashes today. > >Totally preventable with good sensors. Radar is not bothered by > >sunlight. > > > >I think Tesla and others are onto something good when they see that > >long distance transportation and taxi services are where a lot of money > >can be found, though I suspect that a long-distance truck will still > >have one human on board (compared to two today, where they drive > >alternatingly today to keep the vehicle on the road as much as > >possible). In future the truck will drive itself while lumbering along > >on the freeway while the human sleeps/rests. At source and destination > >as well as at (recharge) stops, the human will take over and drive the > >truck and do all that is necessary to load/unload. > > > >But hey, I have been wrong before so, as always: time will tell. > > > >The fact that many dozens of Google self-driving cars are already on > >the road and without much problems, tells me which direction we are > >headed. > > > >Cor van de Water > >Chief Scientist > >Proxim Wireless > > > >office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water > >XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info > > > >http://www.proxim.com > > > >This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential > >and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you > >received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. > > Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part > >of this message is prohibited. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul dove via > >EV > >Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:03 AM > >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launchas > >adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform > > > >Cor, > >I disagree completely. It is likely we will never have self driving > >vehicles on the freeway or in any other venue.Personally I think this > >is an exercise doomed to failure. The road is a complicated place and > >cannot be compared toair flight where few obstacles are encountered. > >This is evidenced by the Tesla that drove under the Semi. > >One day I was driving and the vehicle in front of me swerved because of > >an obstacle in the roadway and of courseI ran over it. It was a piece > >of tire from a Semi which flipped up and tore a gash in my drivers > >door. How are > >sensors going to detect things like that? Or lets say there's a sudden > >downpour, or you crest a hill and there's blindingsunlight I believe > >that many will attempt this and it will end in failure. It's one this t > >insure individuals it's a wholenew thing to insure software..... after > >all if the cars driving then the cars at fault....... who pays? > > > > From: Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as > >adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform > > > >Paul, > > > >The reason they only go 25 MPH is simply that Google wanted a car fast > >and so had to choose to classify them as NEV. Any other 4-wheeled > >vehicle would have needed crash testing which is not only expensive and > >difficult but also a lengthy process. It makes no sense if you are just > >creating a testing platform with a few hundred vehicles. > >Of course 25 MPH helps in getting slightly longer reaction times due to > >low speed, but that is not a concern for Google, they wanted experience > >with a self-driving platform in daily traffic situations and that is > >what they are getting, never mind that these vehicles can't go on the > >freeway - the freeway is not a very interesting place for a > >self-driving > >vehicle. > > > >Cars being for sale or not has no bearing on the concerns from the > >posters stating that they do not want to be around self-driving cars, > >well in downtown Mountain View you can't avoid that... > > > >Cor van de Water > >Chief Scientist > >Proxim Wireless > > > >office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water > >XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info > > > >http://www.proxim.com > > > >This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential > >and > >proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. 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