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> On Jul 26, 2016, at 5:32 PM, damon henry via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I still say that the majority of American drivers who think they will never > trust an autonomous vehicle will change their minds as soon as the insurance > companies offer them $5 less a month on their auto insurance :) > Damon > >> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:15:04 +0000 >> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless >> (autonomous) Lyft platform >> From: [email protected] >> >> The thing is Peri, >> There are so many possibilities while driving how can one ever test software >> enough to know >> that you have covered every likely possibility. Even so, when there is a >> crash and I am sitting >> in the backseat letting the vehicle drive who is responsible for the damage, >> injuries or possible death? >> Tesla leaves the responsibility on the driver and I'm not sure it will ever >> move away from that model. >> >> >> From: Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless >> (autonomous) Lyft platform >> >> I think the big issue will be dealing with the nature of the crashes. >> While we have plenty of accidents and fatalities with human drivers >> today, most of the time those humans mitigate the accident by reacting >> and doing something. That probably helps, even if the result includes a >> fatality (but some survivors). Putting statistics aside for a moment, >> consider that you are "helpless" in an autonomous car crash. >> >> With autonomous vehicles, I see most failures as being catastrophic. >> That is, the software will be completely unaware there is a pending >> crash. Of course, it depends on the details of the situation. >> Regardless, I think - if enough autonomous car deaths occur - people >> will fear the prospect of a catastrophic crash more than they fear being >> involved in a mitigated human-controlled crash. >> >> In other words, if you are a safe, alert driver, will you be >> statistically more likely to die in an autonomous car crash then in one >> where you are in control - or vice versa? Overall, I'm quite certain the >> statistics will point to the autonomous car being safer. But maybe not >> for a small percentage of truly careful drivers. >> >> Peri >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 26-Jul-16 10:57:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a >> driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> No problem - you are free to disagree. >>> I predict that within 10 years nobody wants to deal with all those >>> distracted drivers who are trying to drive while also staying in >>> contact with their family, answering customers and colleagues and >>> keeping their Facebook status updated. (Almost) everyone will gladly >>> give the challenges of navigating the road to the self-driving car in >>> the same way that you hire a driver today to bring you without the >>> stress and fatigue of driving yourself. >>> Indeed, there will be accidents and fatalities. But face it - today >>> there are plenty of those as well without the machines, simply because >>> humans take a risk. Yesterday I almost crashed because someone decided >>> that they should try to cross the street coming from behind a van >>> blocking the view of oncoming traffic. >>> >>> Blinded by glaring sunlight? Indeed a cause of many crashes today. >>> Totally preventable with good sensors. Radar is not bothered by >>> sunlight. >>> >>> I think Tesla and others are onto something good when they see that >>> long distance transportation and taxi services are where a lot of money >>> can be found, though I suspect that a long-distance truck will still >>> have one human on board (compared to two today, where they drive >>> alternatingly today to keep the vehicle on the road as much as >>> possible). In future the truck will drive itself while lumbering along >>> on the freeway while the human sleeps/rests. At source and destination >>> as well as at (recharge) stops, the human will take over and drive the >>> truck and do all that is necessary to load/unload. >>> >>> But hey, I have been wrong before so, as always: time will tell. >>> >>> The fact that many dozens of Google self-driving cars are already on >>> the road and without much problems, tells me which direction we are >>> headed. >>> >>> Cor van de Water >>> Chief Scientist >>> Proxim Wireless >>> >>> office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water >>> XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info >>> >>> http://www.proxim.com >>> >>> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential >>> and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you >>> received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. >>> Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part >>> of this message is prohibited. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul dove via >>> EV >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:03 AM >>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launchas >>> adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform >>> >>> Cor, >>> I disagree completely. It is likely we will never have self driving >>> vehicles on the freeway or in any other venue.Personally I think this >>> is an exercise doomed to failure. The road is a complicated place and >>> cannot be compared toair flight where few obstacles are encountered. >>> This is evidenced by the Tesla that drove under the Semi. >>> One day I was driving and the vehicle in front of me swerved because of >>> an obstacle in the roadway and of courseI ran over it. It was a piece >>> of tire from a Semi which flipped up and tore a gash in my drivers >>> door. How are >>> sensors going to detect things like that? Or lets say there's a sudden >>> downpour, or you crest a hill and there's blindingsunlight I believe >>> that many will attempt this and it will end in failure. It's one this t >>> insure individuals it's a wholenew thing to insure software..... after >>> all if the cars driving then the cars at fault....... who pays? >>> >>> From: Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> >>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as >>> adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform >>> >>> Paul, >>> >>> The reason they only go 25 MPH is simply that Google wanted a car fast >>> and so had to choose to classify them as NEV. Any other 4-wheeled >>> vehicle would have needed crash testing which is not only expensive and >>> difficult but also a lengthy process. It makes no sense if you are just >>> creating a testing platform with a few hundred vehicles. >>> Of course 25 MPH helps in getting slightly longer reaction times due to >>> low speed, but that is not a concern for Google, they wanted experience >>> with a self-driving platform in daily traffic situations and that is >>> what they are getting, never mind that these vehicles can't go on the >>> freeway - the freeway is not a very interesting place for a >>> self-driving >>> vehicle. >>> >>> Cars being for sale or not has no bearing on the concerns from the >>> posters stating that they do not want to be around self-driving cars, >>> well in downtown Mountain View you can't avoid that... >>> >>> Cor van de Water >>> Chief Scientist >>> Proxim Wireless >>> >>> office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water >>> XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info >>> >>> http://www.proxim.com >>> >>> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential >>> and >>> proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you >>> received >>> this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any >>> unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of >>> this message is prohibited. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul dove via >>> EV >>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:39 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as >>> adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform >>> >>> While technically Google cars can drive around they only travel a max >>> speed of 25mph. They are intended as couriers and they aren't for sale >>> as far as I know. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160726/bf026593/attachment.htm> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160726/8813642d/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160726/3be2c374/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
