> > Jack, > In your previous response, you clearly stated that you try to harvest > free energy, no change in the speed of forward moment of the vehicle, > but magically you expect it to generate electricity without losing > energy. That is the very definition of a perpetuum mobile. >
I clearly did not write that because I know it isn't possible. You incorrectly inferred that from what I wrote. > You think that you can increase the efficiency of a vehicle by tapping > energy from its forward movement and that is incorrect, Wow, how in the world you came to that incorrect assumption from what I wrote I will never understand. And if that is a requirement for you to proceed, then you are obviously correct in stating that you should not proceed. My acceptable conditions to proceed are nowhere near as stringent as yours. My only condition is that there seems to be a reasonable possibility that the gains will exceed the losses. With the data I have accumulated to date, my only claim is that there seems to be potential of harnessing wasted energy. The vertical component of 4000 lbs of downward force contains a lot of energy. Currently that is being 100% wasted. Opposing that is some amount of horizontal energy. Even the entire amount of energy required to roll a vehicle is significantly less than that required to lift that same vehicle. My back of the envelope calculation put that at over 3 orders of magnitude... 4000:1. In my book, that's a lot. But we're not even talking about that, we are talking about the CHANGE in that already relatively small value.So even if we incur a loss of half, which seems absurd, that still represents a potential delta of 8000:1. Again, back of the envelope calculation showed the incline increase to be 0.0017%. 8000 divided by 0.0017 is close to 5 MILLION!! We're starting with a potential of almost 5,000,000:1 "head start" ratio of potential energy to be extracted as compared to the energy lost. One would have to REALLY screw that up to not get SOME benefit. You seem to require significantly more than that. In fact, it seems that your requirement is that there be no losses associated with any gains. And, if that were my position then I would also claim this is a stupid idea and not worth pursuing. My hydroelectric example was simply one that there is a significant loss in energy incurred by harnessing the electrical power, but we have deemed it worthwhile. The benefit is greater than the losses. Is it 5 million to 1? Heck, I have no clue. But this approach does have the potential to gain energy without a significant loss. IMHO, that at least deserves exploration and investigation. My real concern with all of this is the collection and distribution of that power. I personally feel that is a significantly larger risk to the viability of this approach. And, as others have mentioned, weather and other factors also represent risks to the Piezo approach. It could be that this ends up only viable in limited locations and applications (temperate climate, close to existing power distribution infrastructure, etc). But isn't that true with so many other approaches? If you don't have naturally flowing water then hydroelectric power generation isn't really an option. Same with both wind and solar. But that doesn't prevent the utilization of that approach in the limited areas where is it beneficial. In conclusion, I am not expecting "free energy". My only hope is that the gains offset the losses and infrastructure, distribution and maintenance costs. And I simply cannot form a conclusion on that without more data. And more data cannot be gathered if the idea is dismissed without further investigation, research and experimentation. I really wish I personally had the time and resources to pursue this. I think I would learn a lot even if it ultimately ends up not being a viable approach. Maybe some other innovative idea or approach might result that is viable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160828/2eb58ae6/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
