From an engineering viewpoint, EV's are much less complex than an internal 
combustion engine.  Instead of thousands of parts trying to put lipstick on a 
pig to increase emissions, you have a simple electric motor with a couple of 
bearings.  The inverter is complex electronics, but not anymore than all of the 
modules created to control an engine and keep emissions in check.  How many 
electric motor or inverter failures have you heard about?  The battery system 
is complex and in transition, but the range is increasing and complexity is 
less than that for an ICE.  I see far less failure possibilities in an EV and 
believe that in mass production they are considerably cheaper to produce than 
an ICE.  I think the automotive industry is beginning to realize this but it 
does create problems for the resale market that keeps cars on the road (for 
example, Autozone, no oil changes or filters, almost no brakes or calipers, no 
antifreeze, mufflers, O2 sensors etc. for them to sale).  Tesla changed the 
game and it's downhill from here for the ICE!

    On Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:30 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV 
<> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fiat ups the amount lo$t on each 500e sold> (a
2012 compliance EV)

Business that are only in anything only to make a quick buck will always
fail in the long run.  Building any car takes hundreds of millions of dollar
investment in new engineering and tooling.  Only a fool or a crook would try
to get that all back in selling just a few hundred cars.

No, ALL cars, not just EV's have to sell hundreds of thousands to be
"profitable" its just the cost of doing business.

Remember the big right wing commentators that said that a Chevy Volt cost
more than a Hummer?  Because they simply took all that was invested by GM
over the previous 8 years of designing and building the Volt and then
divided by the first 1000 cars sold and came up with a HUGE cost.

Only the stupid would believe such hogwash...

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