"An ICE vehicle just needs a stamped piece of metal to store it's energy. An
EV needs a complicated, expensive battery (or pie in the sky fuel cell)."
It's the fuel that goes inside the stamped piece of metal, or the "complicated,
expensive battery"
where do you get the fuel, "gasoline" or the fuel "sunlight"?
personally, i have been partially opting for "sunlight" since 1999 with a tiny
PV array, and am hopefully on track for a much larger PV array so my "partial"
can change to almost or even 100% or greater
From: damon henry via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: Rod Hower <rodho...@ameritech.net>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
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Cc: damon henry <damonhe...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fiat ups the amount lo$t on each 500e sold> (a 2012
compliance EV) r:87mi
I don't disagree with your assessment of less complexity, more reliability, but
the less expensive part is tough to accomplish. This is primarily because of
the energy storage systems. An ICE vehicle just needs a stamped piece of metal
to store it's energy. An EV needs a complicated, expensive battery (or pie in
the sky fuel cell). There will always be a huge price difference in this part
of the technology regardless of mass production economics, so the cost
difference will have to made up elsewhere. The most likely place would be the
drivetrain, since the rest of the vehicle is kind of a wash, If you can build
the electric motor/inverter/gear reduction for less than internal combustion
engine/transmission/control electronics, you have a chance of matching price
for comparable vehicles.
Damon
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From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Rod Hower via EV
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Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:09:38 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hower
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fiat ups the amount lo$t on each 500e sold> (a 2012
compliance EV) r:87mi
From an engineering viewpoint, EV's are much less complex than an internal
combustion engine. Instead of thousands of parts trying to put lipstick on a
pig to increase emissions, you have a simple electric motor with a couple of
bearings. The inverter is complex electronics, but not anymore than all of the
modules created to control an engine and keep emissions in check. How many
electric motor or inverter failures have you heard about? The battery system
is complex and in transition, but the range is increasing and complexity is
less than that for an ICE. I see far less failure possibilities in an EV and
believe that in mass production they are considerably cheaper to produce than
an ICE. I think the automotive industry is beginning to realize this but it
does create problems for the resale market that keeps cars on the road (for
example, Autozone, no oil changes or filters, almost no brakes or calipers, no
antifreeze, mufflers, O2 sensors etc. for them to sale). Tesla change
d the game and it's downhill from here for the ICE!
On Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:30 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fiat ups the amount lo$t on each 500e sold> (a
2012 compliance EV)
Business that are only in anything only to make a quick buck will always
fail in the long run. Building any car takes hundreds of millions of dollar
investment in new engineering and tooling. Only a fool or a crook would try
to get that all back in selling just a few hundred cars.
No, ALL cars, not just EV's have to sell hundreds of thousands to be
"profitable" its just the cost of doing business.
Remember the big right wing commentators that said that a Chevy Volt cost
more than a Hummer? Because they simply took all that was invested by GM
over the previous 8 years of designing and building the Volt and then
divided by the first 1000 cars sold and came up with a HUGE cost.
Only the stupid would believe such hogwash...
Bob
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