Hello Cor, I've seen some professionally done videos suggesting that hydrogen will be the "fuel" in the later half of this century. I think the idea is that it takes too long to recharge an EV and that hydrogen offers the convenience of a quick refuel; similar to an ICE refill.
Forecasting that far into the future is problematic. YMMV On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:35 PM Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > I am wondering if Toyota (who against everyone’s warnings, drank the > cool-aid and invested in Hydrogen) feels burned with developing new > technology, comfortably milking their Hybrid technology that is now present > in vehicle big and small and they feel no need to change that. > Or this was purely a *dealer* driven story, which is probably important > for Toyota, but should not determine their strategic direction…. > Time will tell. Nissan is struggling with the choice of not cooling their > battery packs and the sometimes excessive deterioration of their packs in > heat, > Others invest in temp regulation for their packs and enjoying single > digits of capacity loss over several years of usage… > Last I checked, the future will be electric – with or without Toyota. > I like Toyota’s engineering, that is why I have 3 Prius’ in my name, in > used by my family members, while I drive electric. We will move towards > more EV in future. > Cor. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Robert Bruninga via EV > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Robert Bruninga > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us > forEVs > > At my last count, I came up with 250 EV models are promised over then next > 7 years by 2025. > That is a big number. And last time I counted al lmodels, I think I only > came up with about 450 total car models on sale in the USA. So it is over > half... > > Bob, WB4APR > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Peter Eckhoff via EV > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 3:24 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: Peter Eckhoff <evd...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us > for EVs > > I don't get it either. According to Exxon-Mobil, we have until around > 2040, maybe a bit longer, until the world wide liquid supply of crude oil > peaks. All Toyota has to do is to view the worldwide sales of EVs on > InsideEVs Sales charts to realize there is a market for EVs. Not sure > what their rationale is for their comment. Prime sales are similar to > Volt sales in volume and GM just said they are cancelling Volt production > but keeping the Bolt. > > Tesla is going great guns and are looking to produce an electric pickup > truck. A number of electric pickups are in pre-production such as from > Bollinger and Rivian. > > Almost all of the auto manufacturers are saying they are switching to > producing nothing but electrics during the next two decades. There is > always the good chance that EV sales continue to climb and the price of > gasoline drops to $0.50 a gallon. Then Toyota ICE sales might pick up and > they cancel production of the Prius and their other hybrids??? > > > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM EVDL Administrator via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > [Shrug] Their loss. > > > > In 1973, when the Mideast oil cartel shut the petroleum spigot down to > > a trickle, owners of 13mpg US-made land yachts were putting their > > names on waiting lists to buy 30mpg small cars. > > > > But it wasn't GM and Ford dealers that were collecting their > > "additional dealer markup," hundreds of dollars over sticker price. > > They didn't have small, fuel-efficient cars that anybody wanted to > > buy. Chevy Vegas? Ford Pintos? No thanks. > > > > It was Japanese automakers' dealers who won that round. Toyota > > Corollas, Datsun B210s, and Honda Civics got prepped with such > > high-profit extras as > > $250 radios, $70 floor mats, and $90 mud flaps, and then they flew out > > the shop doors. They never even saw the lot. > > > > Next time gasoline gets scarce, depending on how sensible GM is, it > > might be GM dealers poaching EV customers from Toyota. That would be > > ironic. > > > > However, I think it's more likely that the next beneficiary of a US > > (or > > worldwide) fuel crunch will be BYD, Geely, and other Chinese automakers. > > I > > expect that they'll be the ones unloading cargo ships full of EVs on > > these shores. > > > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > > EVDL Administrator > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL > > Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. > > To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the > > webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181213/e63684 > 82/attachment.html > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181213/e6368482/attachment.html> > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181213/c6b2e87b/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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