Another soft pedal I make is when there are concerns about putting up charging station signs (reserving a space for EV's) . (not my OUTLET signs) I suggest they add a note "until 9 AM" or something like that. The last thing that EV owners AT WORK want when EV's are new at a work site, is to have a vacant EV charging spot that is not in use when all the ICE's are looking for a spot.
By noticing when the last ICE spot usually fills up, then that is the time to end the reserved spot for the EV. If a commuter with an EV does not get there before the 9 AM, then too bad. He had the choice. The worst thing early on was a garage that reserve 8 spaces for EV charging and there were no EV's. It took one month before they took down all the signs due to ICE push back. If they had asked ME, I would have said, YES, wire up 8 spots but only put up ONE sign. Then add signs as use increased. NOT BEFORE. The worst thing early on was creating EV animosity, when what we wanted was EV friendly. Though now, there are enough EV's that all EV spaces are always filled so not much a problem anymore. But in some of the red states where EV's are still new, it might be worth considering the BY 9 AM or whatever to slow the roll out. Bob On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:35 PM Josh L <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi - > > - I just got off the phone with signs.com, and referenced Bob's > page, and they are going to send me an approximation of the > sign. Once approved, I will order two of them for my local use. > I'll try to remember to ask them if there is a way to keep the > sign design on file and if there is a way to provide a link so > others can buy it. > > The one modification I requested was to remove the EVADC.org, as > it is a non-sequiteur around here. We also discussed that, > looking closely at Bob's page, they did not stand on procedure, > but had different modifications made themselves, depending on > the exact need. > > - I appreciate Rod's enthusiasm for that one sign, but a) I have > already purchased a similar sign a few months ago for a station > I help with, and, more importantly b) the entire point here is > that Bob and his teammates have really managed to strike the > right chord I think, for some of the purposes that I want. I > want to be able to donate a sign that brings into play the > making-available of a common plug, and does not have some sort > of overaly aggressive (for some purposes) vibe. > > - It may be kind of a side-issue, but here in Arizona I have > been wondering if, eventually, there will be a legal case based > on a law we have now in place as to fines for parking in an EV > charging spot. I don't know if exact wording on signs needs to > be thought through. > > - It is all very well and good to harbor resentment against IC > vehicles which take up a spot that is clearly marked for EVs > only, and I too have resented this at times, but there is also a > matter of understanding more middle-ground situations, where > (for example) a potential host may not know much about electric > vehicles, and may not have any parking spots that can be spared > 24x7 waiting for a vehicle that may only come around for a few > hours once every month or two, but where they do want to let it > be known on plugshare that if a vehicle wants to charge there > they are welcome to do so. In such an instance, a more > gently-worded sign, with a picture on plugshare, may be a good > way to follow up on making the spot available. > > Note that where I am, until the latest round of Tesla > deployments, I would estimate (wild guess) less than a dozen EVs > in the county, no new EVs for sale at the two main local > dealers, and one single public unrestricted J1772 to serve any > EVs that may pass through. Some of this lack of reaching > critical mass in EVs or public stations tends to make the > conversation a bit different in some ways. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:50:35 -0700, Mark Abramowitz > <[email protected]> you wrote: > > >I still think that your welcoming sign about the OUTLET is the perfect > one for that purpose. > > > >I agree that people may not want to pay for it. > > > >That being said, I think that there is a greater than 50/50 chance that > some agency/agencies/organizations would be willing to fund production of > these signs. I would urge an organization to apply. > > > >- Mark > > > >Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> That’s a great sign for EV charging/parking. Nice to know about it. > Thanks > >> > >> > >> > >> But the “Pro EV Outreach” topic has a different spin. Instead of being > >> exclusive EV and in your face, Keep-Out, the EV CHARGING OUTLET signs > >> highlight simply the presence of an outlet and welcomes people to use > it. > >> There can be a note telling them how to pay if needed. > >> > >> > >> > >> The two approaches are quite different. But of course, both are needed. > >> Those that have charging capability frequently used and do not want it > >> blocked are motivated to pay for a sign to keep other people out. > >> > >> > >> > >> The CHARGING OUTLET SIGN is welcoming, and I find that although > generally > >> people like the idea of promoting EV’s they are less motivated to pay > for > >> it. Hence, be prepared to just donate it. > >> > >> http://aprs.org/EV-charging-signs.html > >> > >> > >> > >> I was going to write: “I wonder if we can get that sign company to make > and > >> sell the outlet sign I use here:” and instead spent a half hour trying > to > >> figure out how to CONTACT amazon and suggest they sell the CHARGING > OUTLET > >> SIGN too. Lets see if they respond. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Rod Hower <[email protected]> > >> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 3:09 PM > >> *To:* Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > >> *Cc:* Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> > >> *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] EV Charging Signs - Pro EV outreach > >> > >> > >> > >> I bought this one on Amazon and received it on Sunday. Well made > >> (aluminum) and looks great! > >> > >> > https://www.amazon.com/Electric-Vehicle-Parking-SmartSign-Reflective/dp/B00HK9UM52 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Monday, July 29, 2019, 11:49:07 AM EDT, Josh L via EV < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 13:30:00 -0500, Willie via EV > >> <[email protected]> you wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 7/27/19 11:29 AM, Josh L via EV wrote: > >>>> I'm having some trouble setting up my email reader to catch all > >>>> the messages from the group in a coherent way, but it sounds > >>>> like the signs are not for sale, but if we put our minds to it, > >>>> we can have our own made, such as with Bob's wording and ideas. > >>>> I'll probably then proceed to do that, when time permits. > >>> > >>> If you can get the price down to ~$10, I'd be in for 20-30. 8"x12" or > >>> larger; weather resistant on ~1/16" aluminum. > >> > >> correction - Hi, the way I worded it, it sounded like I might do > >> this for a group, but if I do it, it will be just for myself. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190729/4c7bce3c/attachment.html > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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