I have ordered and paid for a couple of signs from signs.com. I don't know yet if I will be pleased with them once I take delivery. In the meantime, they claim that any of my fellow EV drivers can go to the link and order their own:
https://www.signs.com/design/?id=2c29e5d2-498f-4b7f-acb4-15fdb5a72521 Because of a last-minute communication issue, I did not get to modifying the design in the end so that the drilled holes did not impinge on the printed/written areas. In any case, it seems advisable for anyone to take a look and request the company to make modifications so that you are satisfied, and I noticed that on the page Robert displayed, there were different variants, depending on the exact need. I only ordered two in anticipation of possible future changes, if I order any more. To make some simple modifications, it may be that you can just toggle a field or two in the ordering area, but for more complex modifications (such as to change the size of the white box, or install a local EVA logo) it may be necessary to contact signs.com and request some design modifications. As far as I saw today, they did not bill me for the design work. Yes, I just told them to work directly from Robert's page and .the file on that page. jl On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:19:07 -0400, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> you wrote: >Another soft pedal I make is when there are concerns about putting up >charging station signs (reserving a space for EV's) . >(not my OUTLET signs) I suggest they add a note "until 9 AM" or something >like that. The last thing that EV owners AT WORK want when EV's are new at >a work site, is to have a vacant EV charging spot that is not in use when >all the ICE's are looking for a spot. > >By noticing when the last ICE spot usually fills up, then that is the time >to end the reserved spot for the EV. If a commuter with an EV does not get >there before the 9 AM, then too bad. He had the choice. > >The worst thing early on was a garage that reserve 8 spaces for EV charging >and there were no EV's. It took one month before they took down all the >signs due to ICE push back. If they had asked ME, I would have said, YES, >wire up 8 spots but only put up ONE sign. Then add signs as use >increased. NOT BEFORE. The worst thing early on was creating EV >animosity, when what we wanted was EV friendly. > >Though now, there are enough EV's that all EV spaces are always filled so >not much a problem anymore. But in some of the red states where EV's are >still new, it might be worth considering the BY 9 AM or whatever to slow >the roll out. > >Bob > > > >On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:35 PM Josh L <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> - I just got off the phone with signs.com, and referenced Bob's >> page, and they are going to send me an approximation of the >> sign. Once approved, I will order two of them for my local use. >> I'll try to remember to ask them if there is a way to keep the >> sign design on file and if there is a way to provide a link so >> others can buy it. >> >> The one modification I requested was to remove the EVADC.org, as >> it is a non-sequiteur around here. We also discussed that, >> looking closely at Bob's page, they did not stand on procedure, >> but had different modifications made themselves, depending on >> the exact need. >> >> - I appreciate Rod's enthusiasm for that one sign, but a) I have >> already purchased a similar sign a few months ago for a station >> I help with, and, more importantly b) the entire point here is >> that Bob and his teammates have really managed to strike the >> right chord I think, for some of the purposes that I want. I >> want to be able to donate a sign that brings into play the >> making-available of a common plug, and does not have some sort >> of overaly aggressive (for some purposes) vibe. >> >> - It may be kind of a side-issue, but here in Arizona I have >> been wondering if, eventually, there will be a legal case based >> on a law we have now in place as to fines for parking in an EV >> charging spot. I don't know if exact wording on signs needs to >> be thought through. >> >> - It is all very well and good to harbor resentment against IC >> vehicles which take up a spot that is clearly marked for EVs >> only, and I too have resented this at times, but there is also a >> matter of understanding more middle-ground situations, where >> (for example) a potential host may not know much about electric >> vehicles, and may not have any parking spots that can be spared >> 24x7 waiting for a vehicle that may only come around for a few >> hours once every month or two, but where they do want to let it >> be known on plugshare that if a vehicle wants to charge there >> they are welcome to do so. In such an instance, a more >> gently-worded sign, with a picture on plugshare, may be a good >> way to follow up on making the spot available. >> >> Note that where I am, until the latest round of Tesla >> deployments, I would estimate (wild guess) less than a dozen EVs >> in the county, no new EVs for sale at the two main local >> dealers, and one single public unrestricted J1772 to serve any >> EVs that may pass through. Some of this lack of reaching >> critical mass in EVs or public stations tends to make the >> conversation a bit different in some ways. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:50:35 -0700, Mark Abramowitz >> <[email protected]> you wrote: >> >> >I still think that your welcoming sign about the OUTLET is the perfect >> one for that purpose. >> > >> >I agree that people may not want to pay for it. >> > >> >That being said, I think that there is a greater than 50/50 chance that >> some agency/agencies/organizations would be willing to fund production of >> these signs. I would urge an organization to apply. >> > >> >- Mark >> > >> >Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> > >> >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thats a great sign for EV charging/parking. Nice to know about it. >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But the Pro EV Outreach topic has a different spin. Instead of being >> >> exclusive EV and in your face, Keep-Out, the EV CHARGING OUTLET signs >> >> highlight simply the presence of an outlet and welcomes people to use >> it. >> >> There can be a note telling them how to pay if needed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The two approaches are quite different. But of course, both are needed. >> >> Those that have charging capability frequently used and do not want it >> >> blocked are motivated to pay for a sign to keep other people out. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The CHARGING OUTLET SIGN is welcoming, and I find that although >> generally >> >> people like the idea of promoting EVs they are less motivated to pay >> for >> >> it. Hence, be prepared to just donate it. >> >> >> >> http://aprs.org/EV-charging-signs.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was going to write: I wonder if we can get that sign company to make >> and >> >> sell the outlet sign I use here: and instead spent a half hour trying >> to >> >> figure out how to CONTACT amazon and suggest they sell the CHARGING >> OUTLET >> >> SIGN too. Lets see if they respond. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Rod Hower <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 3:09 PM >> >> *To:* Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>; >> [email protected] >> >> *Cc:* Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] EV Charging Signs - Pro EV outreach >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I bought this one on Amazon and received it on Sunday. Well made >> >> (aluminum) and looks great! >> >> >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Electric-Vehicle-Parking-SmartSign-Reflective/dp/B00HK9UM52 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 29, 2019, 11:49:07 AM EDT, Josh L via EV < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 13:30:00 -0500, Willie via EV >> >> <[email protected]> you wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On 7/27/19 11:29 AM, Josh L via EV wrote: >> >>>> I'm having some trouble setting up my email reader to catch all >> >>>> the messages from the group in a coherent way, but it sounds >> >>>> like the signs are not for sale, but if we put our minds to it, >> >>>> we can have our own made, such as with Bob's wording and ideas. >> >>>> I'll probably then proceed to do that, when time permits. >> >>> >> >>> If you can get the price down to ~$10, I'd be in for 20-30. 8"x12" or >> >>> larger; weather resistant on ~1/16" aluminum. >> >> >> >> correction - Hi, the way I worded it, it sounded like I might do >> >> this for a group, but if I do it, it will be just for myself. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: < >> http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190729/4c7bce3c/attachment.html >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >> >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190729/c8218dae/attachment.html> >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
