Mark, last time a discussion like this came up, I pressed you for exact
references to back up your claims. You failed. Why are you pushing this
again ? I'm truly glad you are excited about new technologies and I
believe there are places for hydrogen as a fuel, just not for EVs.
Peri
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "Mark
Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" <primobass...@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: 01-Dec-19 8:53:29 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: [NEVs] California’s Clean Vehicle Rebate Program
All hydrogen comes from natural gas. That is a fossil fuel. You are full of
it. Lawrence Rhodes
On Sunday, December 1, 2019, 1:12:42 PM PST, Mark Abramowitz
<ma...@enviropolicy.com> wrote:
I don’t believe that government funding of hydrogen or battery zero emission
technologies are a waste - it’s needed to clean the air.
I will refer you to SIP for California to find out why funding has been needed
for battery and fuel cell technologies.
I won’t get into the whether the sizing and scale of EVSE is appropriate,
except to point out that this happens with all technologies.
You are incorrect when you say that hydrogen does not produce greenhouse gas
reductions. The US DOE has run models which show significant reductions, though
those would be US centric. I’m sure Canada has run similar numbers. The problem
is that your assumptions have generally all been incorrect.
Sorry, but I’m sure you will understand when I say that I won’t refer anyone
to your book. I haven’t read it, but if what you’ve peddled here is a taste, I
have a better reputation for providing people with straightforward and accurate
info.
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
On Dec 1, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
I agree government funding of hydrogen as a fuel is a waste of money.
Sadly, it's always taxpayer money, because the oil and gas industry
knows the idea is a loser, so won't pay to develop the technology or
infrastructure itself. I think that could be the basis of a key
argument: if hydrogen fuelling is such a great idea, why isn't the
'energy' industry paying to build it out themselves? Why is government
assistance appropriate for this massively expensive build? They didn't
need government assistance to build gas stations.
In Canada, our federal government is ponying up peanuts now for an
inter-city charging installation, at exactly the wrong time. They're
investing in 50 kW stations just as the private sector is ramping up to
150 kW stations, with 300 kW on the horizon. And the program that was
intended for EV charging stations is spending more on hydrogen fuelling
stations, all under the GHG reductions banner - highly misleading in the
case of hydrogen made from fossil and fracked natural gas.
If it's any help, you could point legislators' offices to my book. The
ebook version is just US$6.
https://www.iuniverse.com/en/bookstore/bookdetails/126185-The-Emperor-s-New-Hydrogen-Economy
On 12/1/2019 8:47 AM, n...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
1. California’s Clean Vehicle Rebate Program
Posted by: "Lawrence Rhodes" primobass...@sbcglobal.net lawrencerhodes1
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:16 pm ((PST))
https://insideevs.com/news/382176/california-amends-cvrp-rebate-program/
This new round of incentives favors hydrogen with double the money. This is a
horrible waste. If you live in California please contact your
assemblyman/senator/govenor and lt. govenor. Maybe mention the hype about
hydrogen or other educational articles refuting hydrogen. Our legislators must
be educated. Lawrence Rhodes
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Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems)
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