I believe the statistic is that they "Average" 35 miles a day. So it could be 10 miles a day Mon-Fri, 195 miles on saturday and zero on Sunday. Etc.
Still "Most" of the time a vehicle with 50 mile range will probably sufficient, but not ALL of the time. My wife will go months without having the Dino burner turn on in the Volt. The first time this happened she thought something was wrong with the car because she got a warning saying it was going to fire up the generator next time she drove it (it starts the engine every two months to keep it lubricated and run diagnostics). But she also drives up to Tucson 6-10 times a year, that's typically a 190+ mile trip. July 9, 2020 1:07 PM, "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > You are the exception not the rule. The data I have seen says 85% of the > people go 35 miles a day. > I never claimed everyone only needs 100 miles a day. I was also speaking of > personal experience > driving an EV. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >> Paul, >> 300+ mile range isn't fictional. Or, maybe at least 250 miles. >> >> Sure, if you rarely go more than, say, 100 miles in a day you can rent >> something for the >> exceptions. >> >> Using myself as an example, I need a vehicle that can go 200 miles RT for >> excursions to the >> mountains. I go 20-25 times a year which justifies owning a vehicle rather >> than renting. Plus, with >> a 15 hour day, I don't want the overhead of another hour or two to rent >> something. Plus, rental >> companies generally don't allow driving off paved roads, except for short >> driveways. >> >> I think there are many people who have stories, and in all sorts of manners. >> I also agree, there >> are plenty of people who think they need it but don't. >> >> Peri >> >> << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? >> https://quietcleanseattle.org >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> Cc: "paul dove" <dov...@bellsouth.net> >> Sent: 09-Jul-20 4:16:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 >> >>> I would say that is only because people fictionally think they need a 300+ >>> mile range. My i-MiEV >>> goes 40 miles now after 8 years 65 miles new and rarely will it not go >>> where I need to go. I have a >>> Tesla now and it’s so much nicer I drive it most of the time. But before >>> COVID I drive the >>> Mitsubishi everyday to work. I love that car and while the range cuts it >>> close sometimes I think >>> With 100 mile range I would have Zero issues. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:35 AM, Bill Dube via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >> LiFePO4 only has about half the specific energy of metal oxide (like cobalt) >> cells. >> >> Because they are such low impedance (high specific power) you can reduce the >> weight of the cooling >> system, (or perhaps eliminate it entirely) but that in not nearly enough >> weight to make up the >> difference in an EV application. >> >> LiFePO4 is best when you are more interested in high power, or cycle life, >> or perhaps safety, than >> in maximum energy content per kg. >> Cordless tools, starting, start-stop, hybrids, all are great applications. >> EV's, not so much. >> >> Bill D. >> >> On 7/10/2020 12:26 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >> On 9 Jul 2020 at 14:30, Bill Dube via EV wrote: >> >> They altered their focus away from EV batteries and towards other >> markets that made more sense for LiFePO4 technology. >> Obviously I'm not in any position to advise them, but I wonder if it might >> be time for A123 to review their focus. >> >> I don't know how dependent they are on the US market, but with the US >> seemingly headed for both short and long term economic contraction, they >> might do well to look toward western Europe and Southeast Asia for growth. >> There the market for EVs and their batteries is ramping up quickly. >> >> EVs there are (unfortunately IMO) getting larger, with more battery space. >> Something of a range race is heating up, too. >> >> If A123 can solve the energy density problem (I mean in terms of volume, not >> mass), I suspect that they could also grab some of the warranty and spares >> market. >> >> For example, there are quite a few older 2012-2019 Renault Zoes running >> round the EU. In most countries save Norway the majority have leased >> batteries. Renault's contract says they'll service the batteries if they >> fall below 75% capacity. If A123 could supply cells that would yield the >> nominal original capacity (22kWh or 42kWh) and be the last service that that >> battery needed, Renault's bean counters might take notice. >> >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >> >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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