Nearly one-half the energy consumed by refineries is obtained from by-product refinery gas and coke, and about one-third is supplied by natural gas. They don’t buy electricity the generate their own.
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 1, 2020, 4:30 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV <[email protected]> wrote: Last time I ran the numbers, every fuel vehicle in the world is being subsidized by more than USD 5000/year in governmental subsidies to the gasoline and diesel industries. There’s a huge amount that you could do with that money. > On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:32 PM, (-Phil-) via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lawrence is right, Based on my research, just the Electrical energy used > ALONE for all the processes that culminate with a gallon of gasoline in > your tank can move an average EV at least 50 miles. Another surprising > fact: CA's largest industrial user of electricity is petroleum. > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:09 AM Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I would think that simply not using a liquid powered vehicle would have >>> these benefits and energy gains. Energy loss to: Survey, drill, pump, >>> transport, refine(this is a big one) distribute, pump again and then you >>> get the energy to use plus the added benefit of poisoning every one >>> breathing the atmosphere. The elimination of fossil fuels would free up all >>> that energy to use in the electrical grid. So have no fear of running out >>> of energy. There will be a reduction of energy use with every new electric >>> vehicle. Don't get me started with product packaging and the use of >>> plastics. Lawrence Rhodes >>> _._,_._,_ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Groups.io Links: >>> >>> You receive all messages sent to this group. >>> >>> View/Reply Online (#369) <https://groups.io/g/GGEVA/message/369> | Reply >>> To Group >>> <[email protected]?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BGGEVA%5D%20EVs%20not%20greener%20than%20fossil-fuel%20vehicles%3F> >>> | Reply To Sender >>> <[email protected]?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BGGEVA%5D%20EVs%20not%20greener%20than%20fossil-fuel%20vehicles%3F> >>> | Mute This Topic <https://groups.io/mt/78551826/2384446> | New Topic >>> <https://groups.io/g/GGEVA/post> >>> Your Subscription <https://groups.io/g/GGEVA/editsub/2384446> | Contact >>> Group Owner <[email protected]> | Unsubscribe >>> <https://groups.io/g/GGEVA/leave/4855485/1451429038/xyzzy> [ >>> [email protected]] >>> _._,_._,_ >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201130/f15e9fc5/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201201/f21bfc7b/attachment.sig> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201201/a3d99f1d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
