square of velocity. But, yes, not linear. << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
------ Original Message ------ From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <[email protected]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Cc: "Robert Bruninga" <[email protected]> Sent: 15-May-21 7:18:38 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] The state of EV's 1890 to 1922
Bingo, I re-read my email and when I said it goes up significantly above 45, I omitted the fact (that you allude to) is that it goes up as the cube of velocity. A huge factor. Bob On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 9:47 PM paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote:None of that changes physics. You can lower the impact by aerodynamics but it still goes up proportional to speed and yes they aren't linear. the faster you go the faster the drag increases. Rolling resistance goes up as well but it is linear. I did a calculation for my conversion and the areo loading caught rolling at around 70mph with a dramatic change in the curve around 45 mph. It was a Toyota Celica so pretty good aerodynamics. I have the spread sheet somewhere if anyone is interested. It required about 21Kw at 70 mph. On Friday, May 14, 2021, 4:56:48 AM CDT, Paul Compton via EV <[email protected]> wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 03:28, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Wind drag only becomes significant beginning at about 45 MPH Tell that to a cyclist. This was something that automotive designers used to say years ago and what they meant was... We have so much engine power available, that aerodynamic drag isn't affecting vehicle performance until you exceed 45mph. They weren't much concerned with fuel economy. Motorcycles have truly horrible aerodynamics,but some attempts at improvement have been made over the years. The Royal Enfield Dreamliner was one example and as well as top speed and economy, it actually improved acceleration, despite a 40 or so pound weight penalty. https://www.oldbikemart.co.uk/the-dreamliner-lives-on/ -- Paul Compton www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210515/cb927695/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aero-rolling.PNG Type: image/png Size: 33035 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210515/cb927695/attachment.png> _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org_______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
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