Peri, Interestingly enough, I have only once managed to get close to 5 mi/kWh on my Tesla Model S, on a warm day without climate control I finally got the 30 mi average to dip to 202 Wh/mi just before encountering a hill that pushed the average up again, typical driving is about 250 Wh/mi. On my 2013 Leaf however, it is easy to maintain a long term average of 5.1 mi/kWh so maybe it is other factors, but that Leaf is exceptionally frugal, this can also be seen that its "new" battery (built in 2019) of 24kWh (~20 usable) can easily do a 92 mile round trip, all on freeways though maintaining a 55 MPH speed in the right hand lane. So it is not as if the average is way off from actual consumption... Now, I*do* agree that a Model S is a whole lot more car than a Leaf though. Cor.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 11:50 AM Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Here's one of the reasons Tesla is better: lower drag coefficient. Why > does that matter ? At freeway speeds that means more range per kWh. And > that means a smaller battery to be competitive. And that means less > weight, which also increases range. > > Cd > Tesla 3: 0.23 > Tesla Y: 0.23 > Tesla X: 0.24 > > Subaru Solterra: 0.28 > Toyota bZ4X: 0.26 > Audi e-tron: 0.28 > volvo xc40: 0.34 > ford mustang: 0.30 > Chevy Bolt EUV: 0.31 > Huyndai Ioniq 5: 0.29 > Kia EV6: 0.28 > Mazda MX-30: 0.29 > Nissan Ariya: 0.30 > Volkswagen ID.4 : 0.28 > > I wish Tesla would come out with an off road model. One that has > hydraulic (or servo) suspension lifters so that it can cruise low on the > freeway and then lift high for avoiding rocks and ruts on mountain > roads. Add to that tires with enough sidewall for same. In spite of > Musk, when they do, "I'm down." > > Peri > > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "EV List Lackey via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "EV List Lackey" <evp...@drmm.net> > Sent: 20-May-22 10:29:40 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] leaf heater switch > > >On 19 May 2022 at 13:17, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> I find it impossible to believe we would be where we are now without > >> Tesla and Musk. That is why I am so bumfuzzled by negativism toward > >> both. > > > >Hmm, I thought I'd answered that in past posts. Sorry if it wasn't clear. > >I'll try again, and I hope that others will have some thoughts too. > > > >I'm not a researcher, but I suspect that the negativity toward Tesla EVs > >themselves results in large part from their over-sold autopilot. > > > >Some owners believe Musk when he says the car is self-driving, so they do > >stupid stuff and get into wrecks. Tesla being the new kid in town, and high > >profile, the news media are all over it, so everybody hears about it. > > > >Reliability problems may also be a factor. Consumer Reports says that the > >Model X was dead last for reliability in their 2021 survey. :-( > > > >--- > > > >The negativity toward Musk is also easy to explain. He's a truly despicable > >person, arguably a sociopath. He has no filters, and he acts out in public > >like a sixth grade class clown demanding attention. > > > >Several years ago, a friend of mine mentioned that she admired the Tesla S > >but couldn't afford one. Recently she was talking about getting a new (or > >newer) car and I asked if she was considering buying a Model 3. "From THAT > >man? Oh, *GOD* no. No, no, no." > > > >I see similar reactions all over the web. There are thousands of people > >who'd love to have a Tesla, if they didn't have to give some of their money > >to Musk to get it. > > > >Those are anecdotes, and as any statistician will tell you, the plural of > >anecdote is not data. So here's some data for you. > > > >A recent survey found that only 25% of Democrats thought Tesla was > >trustworthy as a company. The trust level from Republicans, who aren't > >known as big EV buyers, was actually HIGHER at 27%. > > > >The main point here is the percentage, not the politics. I remember the > >raised eyebrows some years back when a survey found that only 43% of > >Americans had a positive impression of the US automakers as a group. > > > >And now we have ~26% trust for Tesla. Yikes. > > > >But Tesla sales keep rising! I'd argue that that's *despite* Musk's and > >Tesla's negative images. I'm pretty sure that it's not because of them. > > > >Tesla DOES make really good EVs. You can tell, because their owners seem to > >love them despite their reliability problems, and autopilot's attempts to > >murder them. > > > >Also, here in the US, the other automakers aren't really trying, so the > >competition is feeble. > > > >FWIW, in Europe, where other automakers ARE trying, VW is hot on Tesla's > >heels in sales. They were less than 1% behind them for 2021. If you count > >Skoda EV sales, VW bested Tesla by 26%. It will be very interesting to see > >how 2022 shakes out there. > > > >Sorry, I've wandered off topic here. My point is that there's no mystery at > >all about the negative attitudes toward Tesla and Elon Musk. They're caused > >by Tesla and Elon Musk. > > > >David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > > >To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > >offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating > > a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit > > me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." 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