So, should I stick to the "lizard" battery, which apparently was 24kWh
and supplied with the 2015-16 models, or any battery 2015+ ? If I keep
the leaf, I want to incur minimal expense because I do want to replace
it with something better.
I could buy a Bolt, but it's not really the car I want, either. I need
to haul materials sometimes and also need better ground clearance. I'm
looking at the WV Buzz but there still isn't enough info about the
upcoming US model. Other stuff will come on the market in the next few
years, too. So, I'm leaning to hanging on to the leaf for a 2-3 more
years.
The leaf is adequate in summer (typ 60-80F) but is really limited now,
with temps in the 30-40F range this time of year. Last year, I got only
20 mile range during our cold snap, between 20-30F daytime.
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Ed Blackmond via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Ed Blackmond" <e...@blackmond.com>
Sent: 17-Nov-22 19:47:25
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
If you can afford it, I would recommend getting a Bolt. A new one is still
less than 30K and as far as battery wear is concerned, they are all new now.
GM replaced all the battery packs.
Then sell your Leaf to someone who will use it to replace an ICE commuter
vehicle and upgrade the battery pack. This will put two EVs on the road instead
of one. You can even provide them with all the info you have found on
replacing the pack.
Ed
On Nov 17, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Jay Summet via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
I have a 2015 leaf, 60k miles, 11 capacity bars (but likely to drop to 10
soon). I drive it relatively economically and get 4-4.8 miles per kwh for a
real world range of 80-90 miles still at 35-45mph speeds. (less on freeways of
course....)
I'm in Florida, and almost never see freezing temperatures. (Or temps above
100 like in Arizona....) So not quite as temperate as parts of the pacific
northwest, but not horribly bad for battery longevity.
I think if you got a 2015+ replacement battery with 11 bars it would probably
give your Leaf quite a bit more life.
Jay
On 11/17/22 18:41, George Tyler via EV wrote:
I also have a 2013, original battery was 10 bars when I bought it in 2019,
done 25K km since then, battery dropped to 7 bars this year. I found another
2013 battery with 10 bars, had dome more kms than mine. So far it's still at
10 bars. Here in NZ 2013 is the worst for battery degradation, almost every
leaf for sale cheap is 2013, but some are still at 11 bars. I don't know how
to tell if it's a lizard though.
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From: EV On Behalf Of Ken Olum via EV
Sent: Friday, 18 November 2022 4:47 am
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: Ken Olum <k...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
From: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 02:12:45 +0000
How do the "lizard" batteries perform in cold weather?
I haven't paid careful attention to ours, but there was certainly not some
huge problem in the cold.
Regardless of range, you're saying the lizard battery won't degrade as
quickly ?
Yes. At 95K miles or so, I think our original 2013 battery was down to
7 (maybe 6) bars of battery health out of 12. We replaced it with a
2015 battery which had 11 bars even though it had 85K miles or so. 7000
miles later, it is still at 11.
My experience with the OEM battery is roughly 50% range at 25F versus
70F.
This is pretty terrible. When we had cars with lead-acid batteries we saw
this level of temperature sensitivity, but it shouldn't be so much with
lithium. Was it this bad originally or only after your battery got old? Is
it often 25F in Seattle?
If I buy a used lizard that has, say 60 mile range at 70F, what can I
expect at 25F ?
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