*"Where do you think these idiots get their information about how much energy it takes to build a car...or the "carbon footprint"? *
I know that people do try hard to put this sort of data in order and analyze it. In the case of prominent geographers and demographers they have teams of researchers and grad students cranking away at it. Just kill the messenger, eh? I have worked in manufacturing and the more money there is in it the more attention it gets. If you smelt pig iron and make a multitude of products from it, you can bet some people care a great deal how much effort and energy goes into it. It could be BS, or it might be solid. Comparisons can be made. Just because you would be bored by an effort doesn't mean it can't be done or done well. *"a different worker spends the weekend reading a book...does that affect the "carbon footprint"?"* *"what about energy needed for the workers to get to and from work?" etc.* Part of a good analysis is deciding what should be under consideration. If you can compare directly between an ICE and an EV then there may be value in knowing the differences and similarities. If you don't put in some effort, then you don't have a chance to make good decisions. I like this retort: The plural of anecdote is not data. On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 2:52 PM Lawrence Winiarski via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Where do you think these idiots get their information about how much > energy it takes to build a car...or the "carbon footprint"? > > If you are actually trying to measure "energy" you need to be able to > isolate what you are actually measuring. > > Where do you draw the line about how much energy it takes to build a car? > Is it the energy consumption of a factory? What about the energy > consumption of the factories of the suppliers who make the > parts...tires...glass..plastic, the hoses, the clamps, If a factory buys > parts from a supplier or makes them in house, how does that enter into the > equations? Then if you pay a worker at your factory, and the worker > spends his wages driving monster trucksfor fun on weekends and goes through > 100 gallons of gas, or a different worker spends the weekend readinga > book...does that affect the "carbon footprint"? > > And then what about energy needed for the workers to get to and from > work? How about the energy needed to run the streetlights on the road they > use to get to work? How about the energy needed to heat the homes of the > people who mine the raw materials? How about the energy to make the food > to feed the workers? How about the energy used by the teachers? The > schools and universities? The asphalt for the roads? > > Call me cynical but my guess is these people who claim to analyze carbon > footprints are 99% full of hot air. They don't actually go out an > measure anything, they just repeat something they read or heard, (and often > the most provocative things tend to get repeated) which leads to an > endless repeating cycle of baloney by people who crave endless attention. > > I don't claim to have measured anything, but my common sense says an EV is > a car and and ICE is a car and that my "guess" is that it is highly likely > that the energy required to make them is (or could be) pretty damn > comparable. By weight and volume the EV and the ICE are more alike than > different. > \ > > SNIP -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195856737> <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195856737> Land (919) 901-2805 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19199012805> <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19199012805>Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195760824> <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195760824> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230105/73c1a4a4/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
