peterdjones wrote:
> Georges Quénot wrote:
>> peterdjones wrote:
>>> Georges Quenot wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> The question of whether there could be other type of objects
>>>> than mathematical is a different one. I can figure what could
>>>> mathematical objects and that they can exist (though I am
>>>> afraid I cannot easily transmit that feeling). It is harder
>>>> for me to imagine what non mathematical objects could be and
>>>> how/why they happened to come to existence.
>>> My candidates for non-mathematical properties are
>>> 1) existence/materiality itself (that is, physical existence in a
>>> partiuclar place at a partiouclar time)
>>> 2) time (causality, laws)
>>> 3) consciousness, specifically qualia.
>> These might be "non mathematical" properties but, at leat
>> from my point of view, they do not need to be non mathematical.
>> You probably think that they must be non mathematical because
>> you are not able to figure exactly *how* they could be "just
>> mathematical".
>
>> Two centuries ago, people weren't able to figure
>> out *how* complex living beings could have emerged from simple
>> and inert matter and they thought too that this was impossible
>> and that they had to choose another default "explanation".
>
> Two centuries ago people thought they could build perpetual motion
> machines and square the circle. There is no guarantee that things
> we cannot figure out now will be figured out in the future.

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There is no guarantee either that they won't. While we
don't know, they remain conjectures and lots of progress
usually come out from their study whatever the outcome.
Georges.
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