Bruno Marchal wrote: > Le 18-juil.-06, à 12:30, 1Z a écrit : > > >> Quentin Anciaux: Because if you were in a "simulation" and you have > >> managed to get out of it, > >> how can you know you have reach the bottom level of reality (ie: the > >> material > >> world then) ? How can you know the new real world you are now in is > >> the real > >> world and not another simulation ? > > > > 1Z: e.g it has some non-computable physics. > > > But comp and platonism already predict some non computable physics. You > said it yourself by pointing correctly that platonism leads to the > apparent possibility of HP universe (Harry Potter Universe, or flying > pigs, or random noise, ...).
Platonism obviously implies non-computability, since non-computable functions mathematically exist. However, the claim was that we are in a computer simulation. A computer simulation is obviously computable. >The mystery with "naive comp" is that it > remains something apparently computable in our neighborhood. > And that "mystery" cannot be used as a straightforward refutation of > comp, once we look at the non trivialities of computer science and of > consistent self-referential discourses. > > If we bet on comp, then we can already bet we already live in a > simulation, the natural one which emerges from the "creative nature" of > the relations between numbers. The word "emerge" is often used to hide magic. What actually exists cannot emerge from mere truths. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---